DACA at Supreme Court (accuse, program, state, claim)
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Actually, you do, you just don't have the life experience to recognize that.
You have no direct knowledge of anywhere outside the North American continent in countries immediately adjacent to the US. Your lack of international travel experience does indeed explain your lack of understanding of the world, economic systems, and many other things.
Again, I do not have a limited understanding, you just think I do because we disagree, which is very condescending
Again, I do not have a limited understanding, you just think I do because we disagree, which is very condescending
If you think a Guatemalan DACA is no longer a Guatemalan, yes, you do indeed have a limited understanding. Such a person remains a Guatemalan until they naturalize as a US citizen.
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If you think a Guatemalan DACA is no longer a Guatemalan, yes, you do indeed have a limited understanding. Such a person remains a Guatemalan until they naturalize as a US citizen.
You missed the point entirely, as usual
Again, example: I was born in New York, only lived there until I was 18, but have lived in Arizona longer than I lived in NY at this point. Am I still a New Yorker?.....
They don't have to have been born in Guatemala. Guatemala is a jus sanguinis citizenship country. If one or both parents are Guatemalan, any of their biological children are Guatemalan, as well.
Again, example: I was born in New York, only lived there until I was 18, but have lived in Arizona longer than I lived in NY at this point. Am I still a New Yorker?.....
Um... You realize those are both in the US, no? US states don't issue passports. Nationality is Federal determination, not an individual state determination.
Are you really not understanding the difference between a country and a US state?
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Um... You realize those are both in the US, no? US states don't issue passports. Nationality is Federal determination, not an individual state determination.
Are you really not understanding the difference between a country and a US state?
I'm trying to make a point, someone who came to the US before they could walk or say their first words would have no remembrance or understanding of the country they were born in, never would have gone to school there, never would have worked there, never would have made friends or acquaintances there, etc. All their ties and what they know would be here in the United States. Your line of argument is bureaucratic to the max
I'm trying to make a point, someone who came to the US before they could walk or say their first words would have no remembrance or understanding of the country they were born in, never would have gone to school there, never would have worked there, never would have made friends or acquaintances there, etc. All their ties and what they know would be here in the United States. Your line of argument is bureaucratic to the max
That's irrelevant. If they have no US citizen parent and weren't born in the US, they are not a US citizen. Under jus sanguinis citizenship laws, which nearly every country has, their nationality is that of their parent(s). And, actually, that's the norm for the rest of the world, including other first world countries. The US is no different in that respect.
Again, you don't know that because you have very limited life experience.
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That's irrelevant. If they have no US citizen parent and weren't born in the US, they are not a US citizen. Under jus sanguinis citizenship laws, which nearly every country has, their nationality is that of their parent(s). And, actually, that's the norm for the rest of the world, including other first world countries. The US is no different in that respect.
Again, you don't know that because you have very limited life experience.
I know about that, but I also am a human, and not a robot, and understand things like nuance and not always doing everything "by the book"
They don't have to have been born in Guatemala. Guatemala is a jus sanguinis citizenship country. If one or both parents are Guatemalan, any of their biological children are Guatemalan, as well.
You are not getting it.
If you were brought to US at 5 yr old, and now you are 30 and have no clue where your parents are, then you can't just walk to an embassy of some country and tell them you need a passport, because your parents are from there. They would require proof.
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