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Old 05-04-2008, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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No. Simply making a generalized observation concerning Constitutionalists. It was an affirmative statement.
I was just saying contrarian because no one of importance believes that.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:27 AM
 
Location: In NASCAR World
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You are actually trying to vote somehow for a return to cheap energy. That option is not on the ballot. This is a reality that you and many others will at some point need simply to accept...

If we can get the politicians to stop pandering to extremists, we may actually be able to get back to cheap energy. Drill for the billions of barrels of oil right under us, build many more nuclear power plants (I live right near one), mandate solar power systems be installed in all new homes (this will drive down the costs as there will be a mass market for it and build more windmill farms. We need to do it ALL, except ethanol. No more food in gas tanks. Food prices are skyrocketing because of it, people around the world are starving because of it and beacuse of it, farmers are dumping important crops to grow corn instead, which is a very heavy feeder and will eventually rape the planet's soil of all nutirents and leave us with nothing but a powdery sand.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If we can get the politicians to stop pandering to extremists, we may actually be able to get back to cheap energy. Drill for the billions of barrels of oil right under us, build many more nuclear power plants (I live right near one), mandate solar power systems be installed in all new homes (this will drive down the costs as there will be a mass market for it and build more windmill farms. We need to do it ALL, except ethanol. No more food in gas tanks. Food prices are skyrocketing because of it, people around the world are starving because of it and beacuse of it, farmers are dumping important crops to grow corn instead, which is a very heavy feeder and will eventually rape the planet's soil of all nutirents and leave us with nothing but a powdery sand.
More government intervention. I guess it's like a drug nowadays.

Massive subsidies to build reactors, restricting property rights by requiring solar installations. On and on...

Never known a liberal nascar fan before. You must be a hoot at the events .
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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I do not really care if they drill from crummy sludge oil in Alaska. I do not even really care if the Caribou like it or not. Nobody vacations in ANWR and nobody but an oil driller would go near the freezing place. It is probably the closest thing to Hell you will find on Earth.
That said, if you cons have ideas about drilling off the coast of Florida or Georgia, you had better start trading in your pickups for Toyotas or Hybrids because it ain't gonna happen! There are millions of people that live along these coast and millions of more of us that go to the beaches there often and if you think for even a second that we would stand by and watch an oil well being built there, you have another thought coming! It AIN'T gonna happen!
Our idea of a weekend at the beach does not include swimming in an oil slick or watching dead birds roll up on the beach. Somebody pass that message on to Hannity please!
We need to prepare one way or the other for a world unable to depend on existing petroleum access. We either find and drill more or develop alternatives. The depletion of existing sources is anywhere up to 5% per year. How close are we to the tipping point where demand exceeds supply and continues with those having the greatest access wielding the greatest global power. China is already able to shoot down satellites and is graduating more technocrats per year then we are. Those nations we consider subversive with oil reserves are cooperating with China on numerous issues. We have not learned nor prepared since the 70's oil boycotts. We need to shift the discussion from what we better not do to developing an implemented plan of rapid energy independence.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:46 AM
 
Location: In NASCAR World
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We need to prepare one way or the other for a world unable to depend on existing petroleum access. We either find and drill more or develop alternatives.

This is where everyone makes a mistake. It is not one or the other. It is both.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:59 AM
 
Location: on assignment
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Default Let free markets prevail

Right now, I dont care if they have to drill right through a polar bear to get to that oil, anything to bring these prices down, the better. This 'anwar' is what part of a very large 1000's of acres of nomans land, and they could sink some slant wells in a pocket of a couple 100 of acres? But NOOO, that'd be horrible!!

And YES, the answer is increase the SUPPLY, not wind farms, hybrids, etc... we *need* OIL NOW for the next 10-20 years etc.. in the meantime use the experimental research for future stuff on solar, helium, co2, h20 etc.... And this crap on hold oil co 'responsible' they're, when we import (gasp) almost 2/3 our oil supply overseas, how the hell could our homegrown 'Big Oil' be hedgeing the prices? When they, the beurucrats themselves are enjoying and spending the skyhigh taxes they levy for doing absuotly nothing. The oil comp have to research, prospect, leasing, production, and of course corp income tax to death but that's not enough for the tax anything that moves congress.... No wonder Halliburton moved offshore, if I was running that company (for profit) I'd do the same as well.

It's amazing that every Rep/Demo parrot the same thing, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but nothing gets done! And heaven forbid, if govt just seizes all oil pwr Chavista sytle for that 'central planning' approach that time/time again always fails and costs/shortages shoot straight up except for the Govt.Inc types..... this is a failed socialistic approach that has been proven to fail over and over again Ie: soviet union, n.korea, cuba, etc... just let the free markets prevail have govt get the hell out of the way.....

Another thing blocking the expansion of drilling/refining/etc.. here is the Gore Inc. worshippers...this 'global warming' scam/hoax...

And what a scam it is, just a ideology fleece job... science can't be up for a vote, either it is or it isn't. That's why the CEO of the Weather Channel and others are in the process of suing Gore Inc and his minions for they're guilt trip/scare tactic fictional movie (yes fictional, Gore Inc tech director even admitted to 'doctoring' photos/comp. generaterated/and even using shots fm Day After Tommorrow movie!!!) and way to make you 'feel better' is to send us money for 'co2 footprint' reduction, carbon 'footprint' etc.... News flash, CO2 is not a 'pollutat', plants need this, and if you want to cutdown, just don't breath! We have trouble predicting the '3 day outlook' even with all of the computer models, advancements, etc... much less 2 wks-1 yr-50-100yrs fm now. Greenland was called 'Greenland' for a reason...look it up. And who is to say that 'warmer planet' is necessarily bad? Much more can be grown (for food, not gas!) etc... what made this Gore dummy the 'super guru'? Cause he put together a fabricated movie to pass it off as legitimate maxim science?

History is full of 'cycles' cooler/warmer/more precipation/less precipation/droughts/floods/storms/etc... a while back 'the experts' thought we'd be in a 'colder period' now, so go figure. Gore doesn't want to give up on his cash cow climate enterprise, absoultally amazing how this is mandatory viewing in many schools and is treated as gospel, not an opinion of Gore's, with no other side to the story. What a brainwash.

Gore Inc will never sit in for a real debate (not cuddle club reporters asking easy yes questions) on this whole 'issue' cause he knows he'll have his heinie handed to him and expose him for a fake/fraud/mental lightweight he is. But the armor of protection is cracking and will break it wide open when he is summoned to court in NY soon. You like our food for gas program?, higher gas prices?, thank the Gore club and other socialists/marksists. Who in right mind would take food (corn/etc..) and turn it into gas, when it takes almost a gal of fuel, to produce a gal of 'ethonol'??!!!.... Sorry but I get worked up when people blame things they can't control/understand (ie the weather, earthquakes, storms, ocean currents, gravity pull etc...) and somehow convience other 'sheeple' that by driving a hybrid, living in a cave, recyling tolietpaper, using ethanol, wearing 100% recycled clothing is somehow going to make a 'difference'.. the only diff. is the higher prices. Rant off.
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:01 AM
 
Location: In NASCAR World
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More government intervention. I guess it's like a drug nowadays.

Massive subsidies to build reactors, restricting property rights by requiring solar installations. On and on...

Never known a liberal nascar fan before. You must be a hoot at the events .

To start with, I am not a Liberal. I am a moderate. I basically lean conservative in economics and moderate on social issues. I think staying on one side is ridiculous and closed minded.

I never said there should be subsidies on reactors. The plant near me wants to add 2 more reactors and all they want is permission to do it. We should have less restriction on them, so they can do it. We just need to ensure that all safety measures are taken. That would require some oversite. I am 100% in favor of adding the extra reactors. I see the huge benefit of them with my tiny little electric bill and the clean freah air around me.

The restricting of property rights argument is old and worn out. There always needs to be some regulations in life. It can't be a free for all. If that were the case, we could all just steal from each other or anything else we want to do. Sometimes we need to look at the overall benefit to all, rather than ourselves. It is okay to for the government to "require" something be done, but it is not okay for the government to be involved in "running" something......IE Healthcare. Let the private sector make it happen. There are already many requirements when building a house, which have made the homes safer and more energy efficient. That is a good thing. Solar power is a simple and proven system that has all benefits and no drawbacks, except for price. Requiring in new homes fixes the drawback.

People really need to stop clinging to their stereotypes and conservative/liberal mentality and look at the overall big picture. Free your mind of the programming it has received and see the possibilities in the world. Open yourself up to "thought".
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:06 AM
 
Location: In NASCAR World
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If we started at it tomorrow, it would be 2020 or so before any ANWR oil could be recovered into the market, and there isn't enough of it in any case to make it more than a short-term blip.

This statement is not correct. There is new technology out there that is capable of delivering this oil in 2 years. The 20 year scare tactic is old and outdated. Besides, if it was approved 20 years ago, we would not be in this situation now. How about we finally approve the drilling AND work on other forms of energy. WOW, 2 things at once.........who ever would have thought of that?
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:14 AM
 
Location: on assignment
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This statement is not correct. There is new technology out there that is capable of delivering this oil in 2 years. The 20 year scare tactic is old and outdated. Besides, if it was approved 20 years ago, we would not be in this situation now. How about we finally approve the drilling AND work on other forms of energy. WOW, 2 things at once.........who ever would have thought of that?
You go Nascar, see my post above this,

and how MISimformed comment of 'only save a couple of cents' by Obama the other day about suspending the gastax,... It's been a record year for govt in tax collection (gas wise) and heaven forbid if they had to forgo that revenue for 3 mo... remember, him and all of the other 'experts' in congress know more about economy and oil production that the 'big oil' companies...NOT!!!

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Old 05-04-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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What this country really needs is a new Refinery built somewhere! I think with all the windfall Profits that the oil companies are making they could put some people to work and build one. Then we could un-cap some of those wells in the gulf of Mexico!
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