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Instead of abolishing the Electoral College, how about we go the opposite direction and return more to a Republic of states with a weaker federal government, as was intended. The closer people are to their government, the better.
The Electoral College as it is now balances interests. A direct popular vote or this phony"National Popular Vote" are just paths to tyranny and a quashing of minority rights.
In 2016 Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but she only won the popular due to her margin in CA. If you remove the vote margin from CA, Donald Trump won the popular vote in the other 49 states. Do you want one state with that much power to swing elections?
The Electoral College is one of the more brilliant ideas in the history of governance.
Instead of abolishing the Electoral College, how about we go the opposite direction and return more to a Republic of states with a weaker federal government, as was intended. The closer people are to their government, the better.
The Electoral College as it is now balances interests. A direct popular vote or this phony"National Popular Vote" are just paths to tyranny and a quashing of minority rights.
In 2016 Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but she only won the popular due to her margin in CA. If you remove the vote margin from CA, Donald Trump won the popular vote in the other 49 states. Do you want one state with that much power to swing elections?
The Electoral College is one of the more brilliant ideas in the history of governance.
one state would not swing a vote, individual people are voting, going by popular vote means everyone's vote counts, where I live under the current system MY VOTE DOES NOT COUNT 46.4% of the people in my state voted democrat but in the national election they may as well have stayed home in our winner take all system,
but if we went by popular vote my vote would still count it would be added to the pool. if you look at the map most of the blue areas are in our actual cities, most of that see of red are a gazillion little hick towns population: Buford and Edna
The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The Compact ensures that every vote, in every state, will matter in every presidential election. The Compact is a state-based approach that preserves the Electoral College, state control of elections, and the power of the states to control how the President is elected. The National Popular Vote bill has been enacted by 16 jurisdictions possessing 196 electoral votes, including 4 small states (DE, HI, RI, VT), 8 medium-sized states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NJ, NM, OR, WA), 3 big states (CA, IL, NY), and the District of Columbia. The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes. The bill has passed at least one chamber in 9 additional states with 88 more electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, VA). A total of 3,408 state legislators from all 50 states have endorsed it. ___________________________________
I think we need this, it preserves a state based approach while at the same time counting all the popular votes instead of a pure winner-take-all system (see link for more explanation)
the national popular vote scheme, is a scheme from soros and the marxists/fascists
the 501(c) organization National Popular Vote Inc., a George Soros funded who’s who of the progressive left. ...billionaire George Soros fund sand supports the movement via his myriad 502(c) outfits, such as the Progressive States Network and Common Cause.
Under a National Popular Vote, 100% of the citizens in a state could vote for candidate A and all of the state’s electoral college votes go to candidate B, rending small states powerless and the will of the people in the state irrelevant.
the electoral college is there for a reason
..to protect the little guy from the big guys
Plan for Permanent White House control by progressives happening now
Called the “National Popular Vote Compact” this movement has been in the works nationwide – without public attention – on a state-by-state level since at least 2008.
Like other surreptitious actions against the U.S. Constitution, the NPVC “movement” has several promotional websites claiming to represent “true democracy.”
Why would progressives want to switch to a National Popular Vote POTUS?
Do the math: The electoral vote system protects voting rights by giving every individual state a number of electoral votes representing the level of population. In this way, all states in the Union have a proportionate and representative say in who becomes President. It doesn’t matter if the state has more land mass than populace, or if more of the people live in rural areas, etc.
Who is behind the National Popular Vote Compact?
George Soros ...and Vikram Amar & Akhil Reed Amar
Akhil Amar has also “recently proposed that every American should be required to undergo a DNA test so that a national DNA database can be created.”
The National Public Vote Compact bill, promoted nationwide, came from this source in 2001. Since then, the same bill based on their strategy has been filed in states nationwide!
Digging into the background of the National Public Vote Compact – as a means to radically and permanently shift the basis of the Presidency, here’s what we found: highly credentialed attorneys (and brothers) who devised this “state bill” compact, as a strategy to get around the normal requirements for constitutional amendment – and, instead, undermine the Electoral College by bypassing both Congress and the voters!
plan for Permanent White House control by progressives happening now
Called the “National Popular Vote Compact” this movement has been in the works nationwide – without public attention – on a state-by-state level since at least 2008.
Like other surreptitious actions against the U.S. Constitution, the NPVC “movement” has several promotional websites claiming to represent “true democracy.”
The NPVC is a bill now moving state-by-state to make the popularvote winner President by bypassing normal requirements to amend the Constitution. Tts outcome would ensure the Presidency would be declared by giving all the required 270 Electoral Votes needed for a “winner” to the candidate who wins the largest number of popular votes nationally – no matter how small the win margin and no difference how many states voted to oppose him. Here’s[/quote] how it works:
Once enough states have passed the NPVC bill into law to reach the requisite 270 Electoral Votes (by totaling the EV’s of those states which pass this bill) the NPVC goes into immediate effect in the next – and all subsequent – Presidential elections. It doesn’t matter how strongly other states oppose this. We’d all have to go along, if even a minority of states pass it! • Currently, this bill has passed enough state houses to reach more than 160 EV’s – so they are well over half way to their goal right now.
According to most up-to-date information this NationalPopularVotePact has already passed 1 of the 2 required chambers in more than 30 other states- without public attention.
If their magic number of 270 EV totaling states is reached, it won’t matter how the rest of the states vote on this; nor whether other states never take up the bill; not even if other states vehemently object and oppose this action. It would be the Law of the Land!
This sneaky scheme to upend Constitutional rights and protections of all states and their residents in selecting the nation’s leader is underway as an explicit attempt to defeat the careful Constitutional amendment process with no public knowledge, no voter input, no public referendums and no input from states which object to this measure. All NPVC takes is a portion of current state houses to make it law for all of us – always!
Why would progressives want to switch to a National Popular Vote POTUS?
Do the math: The electoral vote system protects voting rights by giving every individual state a number of electoral votes representing the level of population. In this way, all states in the Union have a proportionate and representative say in who becomes President. It doesn’t matter if the state has more land mass than populace, or if more of the people live in rural areas, etc.
so if the people Colorado vote for candidate "A" overwhelmingly , but candidate "B" takes the national popular vote ALL the EC votes of Colorado go to Candidate "B", no matter the fact that they voted for candidate "A"
the effect is you are saying, no matter how Colorado (or any other state that votes differently form the "popular" person) votes, they will GIVE all their votes to the other person IF they are winning the popular vote...... so Colorado (or name any other state) goes into SUBMISSION to the DOMINATE state like California
states that sign this pact are like submissives in a BDSM relationship
one state would not swing a vote, individual people are voting, going by popular vote means everyone's vote counts, where I live under the current system MY VOTE DOES NOT COUNT 46.4% of the people in my state voted democrat but in the national election they may as well have stayed home in our winner take all system,
but if we went by popular vote my vote would still count it would be added to the pool. if you look at the map most of the blue areas are in our actual cities, most of that see of red are a gazillion little hick towns population: Buford and Edna
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one state would not swing a vote
yes it would
California is the ONLY reason hitlery got the popular vote... and hitlery went to California (which was a sure-win) more times than any of the other states combined.... trump won 30 states..ie 3/5ths of the country..... but the fascist liberals say screw the MAJORITY of the country
look at the numbers
popular vote difference 2.8 million
Hillary won California BY 4.5 million votes
so the FACT is that of the 49 states, trump (as much as I hate him), took the popular vote, and if not for Kommiefornia, hitlery would NOT have taken the popular vote
if SHE had WON California by a closer amount (like her wins nationwide) like only 1.3 million votes (and that is not really close, but certainly closer than 4.5 million votes) trumpo would have taken the popular vote too
last I check PEOPLE in the other 49 states (other than fruity left cali)voted
she got 48%, trump 47%, and 5%to the 'others'
and the FACT is that Hillary only got 48% of the vote...which means 52% voted not for her
so under this "pact"... so if the people Texas vote for candidate "A" overwhelmingly , but candidate "B" takes the national popular vote ALL the EC votes of Texas go to Candidate "B", no matter the fact that they voted for candidate "A" , just because California put the "popular vote over....IOW California putting Candidate B in the lead of "popular vote" would MANDATE all other 49 states to elect candidate B...even if they 'wanted' candidate A
Absolutely not. The system has worked for over 200 years and will not be changed unless you want to fight a civil war. The system guarantees states rights and powers.
This is NOT a Democracy. This is a Republic of States.
Good. So, let's have the states count the votes without pressure from the federal government to get the outcome they want.
California is the ONLY reason hitlery got the popular vote... and hitlery went to California (which was a sure-win) more times than any of the other states combined.... trump won 30 states..ie 3/5ths of the country..... but the fascist liberals say screw the MAJORITY of the country
Uh... except a majority of the country did not want Trump to be President. I love the logic there. Yes, those fascist liberals... they want to screw over themselves since their candidate had far more votes than the other candidate.
I get the rest of your argument. Not that I agree with it. But that one line in particular you cannot lay claim to. A majority of the people did not want Donald Trump. Therefore Donald Trump should be President?
So Nebraska is one of only two states that selects Electors based on the popular vote of their congressional districts as opposed to only on the statewide vote. In 2020, Trump appears to have won 4 of the 5 Electoral Votes of Nebraska. Biden won one of those districts and gets 1 Electoral Vote. Depending how AZ and NV flesh out, that one electoral vote may have been the difference maker for Biden. Without that one vote... he'd be as 269 (in that scenario) and would still need one of GA or PA.
Where am I going with this?
I'm curious if a future Nebraska legislature will strike down the law that lets them divide up Electors and simply return to the way other states do it (all or nothing). What might be the right thing to properly represent the will of the people would be changed because it is politically advantageous to do so.
Just adjust electoral votes to be more representative of the population of the state. In Wyoming it takes 192,919 people get one electoral vote. In California it takes 718,363 people get one electoral vote.
People are rightly concerned with a popular vote favoring cities but our current electoral collage just goes the other way and disproportionately favors rural areas. Without this affirmative action the GOP with it's current policies would never win a presidential election.
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I support abolition of the EC -- but that is a very long shot. There are way too many reasons to be rid of it to list here and most have been mentioned repeatedly on this and other forums. The option, then, is to tweak the manner in which the EC votes are cast, reflecting the same vote proportions as the national popular vote.
Uh... except a majority of the country did not want Trump to be President. I love the logic there. Yes, those fascist liberals... they want to screw over themselves since their candidate had far more votes than the other candidate.
I get the rest of your argument. Not that I agree with it. But that one line in particular you cannot lay claim to. A majority of the people did not want Donald Trump. Therefore Donald Trump should be President?
exactly, a popular vote counts every persons vote equally, we don't have that now.
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