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There’s more to it than possible NATO membership for Ukraine. There are agitators inside Ukraine who are loyal to Russia over Ukraine. There are among them politicians who favor Russia and Putin. Such politicians would be easy puppet leaders for Russia to control. Ukraine is like the US heartland in that it is rich in agriculture. It’s also has major shipping ports for the region. Lastly it’s also a stepping stone towards re-establishing the old Soviet Union. Romania and Poland would be next on their target list.
There’s more to it than possible NATO membership for Ukraine. There are agitators inside Ukraine who are loyal to Russia over Ukraine. There are among them politicians who favor Russia and Putin. Such politicians would be easy puppet leaders for Russia to control. Ukraine is like the US heartland in that it is rich in agriculture. It’s also has major shipping ports for the region. Lastly it’s also a stepping stone towards re-establishing the old Soviet Union. Romania and Poland would be next on their target list.
Question; how did these "agitators inside Ukraine" manage to live for 30 years without joining Russia, and what "Romania and Poland" ( that are supposedly "next on the list") got to do with the USSR?
Question; how did these "agitators inside Ukraine" manage to live for 30 years without joining Russia, and what "Romania and Poland" ( that are supposedly "next on the list") got to do with the USSR?
Look at the history of the area. The area now known as Ukraine was border territory for Russia, Poland, Romania, and other countries that once existed. The eastern parts of Ukraine have a sizable population of people who think of themselves as Russian. They would like the area where they live to once again be part of Russia. As for Romania and Poland, 1. Look at a world map 2. Look at the countries once controlled by the Soviet Union.
Question; how did these "agitators inside Ukraine" manage to live for 30 years without joining Russia, and what "Romania and Poland" ( that are supposedly "next on the list") got to do with the USSR?
Look at the history of the area. The area now known as Ukraine was border territory for Russia, Poland, Romania, and other countries that once existed. The eastern parts of Ukraine have a sizable population of people who think of themselves as Russian. They would like the area where they live to once again be part of Russia.
So why exactly they didn't become "part of Russia" for thirty years after the fall of the Soviet Union?
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As for Romania and Poland, 1. Look at a world map 2. Look at the countries once controlled by the Soviet Union.
They were controlled as the result of the WWII, which took place 70 years ago, and the USSR is gone for the last 30 years.
So why exactly they didn't become "part of Russia" for thirty years after the fall of the Soviet Union?
They were controlled as the result of the WWII, which took place 70 years ago, and the USSR is gone for the last 30 years.
So what are you even talking about?
Study history a bit more. True, Russia invaded those countries to push back the Germans in WW2 but they maintained control of those countries as part of the Soviet Union. Putin is known to wish for a return of Russia’s greatness of the Soviet Union era he was a part of as a member of the KGB. Having a weak US President and a fractured NATO (with Germany relying upon Russia for natural gas) makes things easier for Russia to annex Ukraine, a country Putin has always viewed as part of Russia https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...-ussr-00005461
There’s more to it than possible NATO membership for Ukraine.
Ukraine to NATO is never going to happen, not in a million years. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe (to my surprise) and infiltrated by pro-Russian separatists and Russian spies.
Putin WILL take Ukraine, or Ukraine will declare a promise to never join NATO, and this will all happen without a massive war campaign.
Study history a bit more. True, Russia invaded those countries to push back the Germans in WW2 but they maintained control of those countries as part of the Soviet Union. Putin is known to wish for a return of Russia’s greatness of the Soviet Union era he was a part of as a member of the KGB. Having a weak US President and a fractured NATO (with Germany relying upon Russia for natural gas) makes things easier for Russia to annex Ukraine, a country Putin has always viewed as part of Russia https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...-ussr-00005461
See, studying history and reading yet another propaganda piece in Politico, are not one and the same thing.
But since we are talking *history* here, you apparently keep on missing my posts, where I already explained that after the WWII, plenty of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators moved to Canada, and that's where their hornet nest is, because from there, their descendants are spreading the false propaganda and finance the current Nazi, that are in charge of Ukraine now. (THEM, and not Zelensky as the author of this article pretends. And you can check by the way, that this so-called "professor" with clearly Ukrainian name teaches in specifically CANADIAN University.
All this brethren hails from specific part of Ukraine ( see that yellow part, that Stalin took over back in 1939,) and yes, this particular part historically had nothing to do with Russia - it's true. But these crafty liars keep on convincing everyone that "history of Ukraine" and history of their region is one and the same thing. And Western media loves them for that, because this makes spreading propaganda and fooling Western public so much easier.
I am not going to dissect all the craftily concocted lies of this *professor,* - don't want to take much time going through the usual nonsense of "loose Slavic tribes, Kiev the capital of Ukraine bla-blah, "Moscowy the vassals of Mongols" bla-blah, because it's their usual drivel.
But I can point right away where all his lies ( although vaguely so) point at the irrelevance of Moscow to Kiev.
Here it is, for the record, before the Nazi will manage to remove this from the Wiki, lol since they are running amok lately, as I said.
"The first known reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgoruky and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality. The chronicle says, "Come, my brother, to Moskov" (Приди ко мне, брате, в Москов).[34]
In 1156, Knyaz Yuri Dolgorukiy fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat."
(It's all written down in the Primary Chronicle by the way - the ultimate source of knowledge of the Russian history.)
And if you look at who/what Yuri Dolgorukiy is, even with all the *corrections* that Ukrainian nationalists came up with lately to muddle the waters, you can still see that " Although he twice managed to hold Kiev (in September 1149 - April 1151, again in March 1155 - May 1157) and rule as Grand Prince of all Rus',"
this should give you a pretty good idea, that Moscow that he founded, being the grand prince of Kiev, and Kiev itself were one and the same country.
Here is the map of the Kievan Rus by the way, to confirm my words.
See Kiev's principality down South?
Now look at Rostov-Suzdal principality ( later renamed as Vladimir Suzdal principlaity) up north.
And that's where the Grand prince of Kiev founded Moscow back in 1147.
And unfortunately for everyone, Putin is correct when he is saying that "Ukraine and Russia are one and the same country."
Ironically enough, it doesn't include the two Western-most provinces of Ukraine, where all this Nazi propaganda is coming from, from this quasi "Canadian professor" including.
And that's precisely where the US is moving its embassy now from Kiev - to that particular area, fearing some "Russian attack," lol.
See, studying history and reading yet another propaganda piece in Politico, are not one and the same thing.
But since we are talking *history* here, you apparently keep on missing my posts, where I already explained that after the WWII, plenty of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators moved to Canada, and that's where their hornet nest is, because from there, their descendants are spreading the false propaganda and finance the current Nazi, that are in charge of Ukraine now. (THEM, and not Zelensky as the author of this article pretends. And you can check by the way, that this so-called "professor" with clearly Ukrainian name teaches in specifically CANADIAN University.
All this brethren hails from specific part of Ukraine ( see that yellow part, that Stalin took over back in 1939,) and yes, this particular part historically had nothing to do with Russia - it's true. But these crafty liars keep on convincing everyone that "history of Ukraine" and history of their region is one and the same thing. And Western media loves them for that, because this makes spreading propaganda and fooling Western public so much easier.
I am not going to dissect all the craftily concocted lies of this *professor,* - don't want to take much time going through the usual nonsense of "loose Slavic tribes, Kiev the capital of Ukraine bla-blah, "Moscowy the vassals of Mongols" bla-blah, because it's their usual drivel.
But I can point right away where all his lies ( although vaguely so) point at the irrelevance of Moscow to Kiev.
Here it is, for the record, before the Nazi will manage to remove this from the Wiki, lol since they are running amok lately, as I said.
"The first known reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgoruky and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality. The chronicle says, "Come, my brother, to Moskov" (Приди ко мне, брате, в Москов).[34]
In 1156, Knyaz Yuri Dolgorukiy fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat."
(It's all written down in the Primary Chronicle by the way - the ultimate source of knowledge of the Russian history.)
And if you look at who/what Yuri Dolgorukiy is, even with all the *corrections* that Ukrainian nationalists came up with lately to muddle the waters, you can still see that " Although he twice managed to hold Kiev (in September 1149 - April 1151, again in March 1155 - May 1157) and rule as Grand Prince of all Rus',"
this should give you a pretty good idea, that Moscow that he founded, being the grand prince of Kiev, and Kiev itself were one and the same country.
Here is the map of the Kievan Rus by the way, to confirm my words.
See Kiev's principality down South?
Now look at Rostov-Suzdal principality ( later renamed as Vladimir Suzdal principlaity) up north.
And that's where the Grand prince of Kiev founded Moscow back in 1147.
And unfortunately for everyone, Putin is correct when he is saying that "Ukraine and Russia are one and the same country."
Ironically enough, it doesn't include the two Western-most provinces of Ukraine, where all this Nazi propaganda is coming from, from this quasi "Canadian professor" including.
And that's precisely where the US is moving its embassy now from Kiev - to that particular area, fearing some "Russian attack," lol.
First off, neither Russian nor Ukrainian are completely innocent and factual. They’re each spouting off based upon their own history as they were taught and believe. I’m not naive enough to think either side is telling the whole truth about the situation. I’m also skeptical of what you posted. Provide link to evidence to back up your claims please. Notice the word “skeptical”. This means I believe what you claim may be true but I doubt it without evidence. I posted links that had quotes from Putin showing he feels the people of Ukraine are Russian. You say agitators in Ukraine are Nazis. Provide evidence.
Putin has always considered the fall of the SU as the most tragic thing that ever happened. And if he had his way he would bring it back to its glory days but that will never happen.
Russian "aggression" so far has been South Ossetia and Crimea. In the one case its like having the water line in you kitchen sink going through your neighbors house. Its about the Baku-Supsa oil pipeline, not to mention the South Ossetians were always Russian friendly. Crimea is just, well basically Russian territory going back to the 18th century
Russia wants nothing to do with any hostile occupation, and there has yet to be one since the Soviets fell.
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