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Old 05-22-2008, 11:00 PM
 
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kind of hypocritical in a sense since I can't ever remember voting for heterosexual marriage. Have any of you?
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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kind of hypocritical in a sense since I can't ever remember voting for heterosexual marriage. Have any of you?
If you want to go then then tell me exactly what rights that heterosexuals have that gays don't. I can't marry another man either.
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:07 AM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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This should be decided by the people. If the people are ready to accept gay marriage, they will have to deal with the consequences, whether physical or spiritual. If not, it should not be forced down their throats.
It's not forced down anyone's throat. Don't want to gay marry, don't gay marry. It's very simple.
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:08 AM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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Nothing should be directly decided by the people. The masses are irrelevant. People should elect experienced public servants who will implement laws.

That being said, the courts probably overstepped their bounds. This should really be decided in the State legislative level.
How did the court overstep its bounds? It didn't make law- it ruled on the constitutionality of a law that was challenged on constitutional grounds all the way up to their court room. This is their job.
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:15 AM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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If you want to go then then tell me exactly what rights that heterosexuals have that gays don't. I can't marry another man either.
Yup, and there is no good reason for you being unable to do so. The court ruled in this case that because this baseless limit infringes on homosexual couples' (already recognized by the state as deserving legal recognition per CA's "domestic partnership" law) fundamental marriage rights under equal protection clause of their Constitution, the law barring same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

Virginia tried that "everyone is limited in the same way so it's OK" argument regarding race in 1967. Google Loving vs Virginia. The SCOTUS told Virginia to get bent (more diplomatically, of course).
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:33 AM
 
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The voracity of biggottry never ceases to amaze me
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Yup, and there is no good reason for you being unable to do so. The court ruled in this case that because this baseless limit infringes on homosexual couples' (already recognized by the state as deserving legal recognition per CA's "domestic partnership" law) fundamental marriage rights under equal protection clause of their Constitution, the law barring same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

Virginia tried that "everyone is limited in the same way so it's OK" argument regarding race in 1967. Google Loving vs Virginia. The SCOTUS told Virginia to get bent (more diplomatically, of course).
I understand your argument but you essentially just acknowledged that the court didn't grant gays equal rights but a special right. They already have the same right as everyone else.

Politics aside, then, I think the people - directly or via the legislature - should be the ones to grant special rights, not the court.

I saw a poll on this issue this morning. 52% of Californians disagree with the ruling and 51% support a state constitutional amendment to reverse it. I'm not saying the people are right or wrong. I'm just posting the poll numbers.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The voracity of biggottry never ceases to amaze me
I feel the same way about malapropisms and poor orthography.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Before people spout off nonsense its helpful to know the facts about California state government.

The state legislature twice passed a bill legalizing sane sex marriage. The governator vetoed the bill twice and curiously said he would defer to the decision of the California Supreme Court. He is opposed to the Constituonal amendment banning same sex marriage. Also it is important to note that court justices stand for reelection in California so they are subject to the will of the people.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I notice that an Arizona based organization is trying to tell California how to run it's business. LOL Arizona? Next comes the petition form Dogpatch USA.
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