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Old 06-24-2022, 09:21 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Abortion is now illegal in Michigan, as it was before Rowe vs. Wade.

How about your state?

I predict it will be legalized in Michigan dictatorially by Herr Whimper. The Republican legislature will roll over and play dead like they did with all her other dictates.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:21 AM
 
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Great decision. This was a bad law from 1973. It took 49 years to overturn this madness.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:23 AM
 
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I predict that since power and accountability is actually in the hands of state legislatures, we won't see the sweeping bans that were predicted. It's one thing to talk a big game, it's another to be responsible when it's actually your call. I think we see watered down versions of what bas been pushed. Politicians care more about their next election than they do ideals.
There are 13 states that have abortion ban trigger laws already on the books. They now take effect. So I am not sure what you are talking about. Another 13 or so states are ready to pass laws banning abortions.

13 States Have Abortion Trigger Bans—Here's What Happens When Roe Is Overturned


Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Oh especially those on the Dem side that want to pack the Supreme Court so that they have more justices than the conservative ones.

or this other idiot saying we should abolish the Supreme Court because he didn't like how they decided on this week's gun control issue.

during the hearings for these last 3 justices, so many Dems were so worried that these justices would be conservative and therefore screw things up for them (voting pro-conservative on their decisions).

there are people who believe the Supreme Court ought to be made up of people who will so-called rubber stamp their every wish, and not do what they are intended to do - interpret the Constitution. But they want them to make law.. thats not their job.
Funny...that has been the complaint from the Right about the Supreme Court for the past 50 years . You have to hand it to them...they organized and galvanized their voters until they got the Supreme Court they wanted. The GOP has used the SC as a GOTV mechanism for years. But as they say...be careful for what you wish for....The Left can implement the same strategy. The Supreme Court has a right to their rulings based on the current makeup of the court...them's the rules. My own opinion is that the recent rulings especially on Roe is an overshoot. This will galvanize the liberal base for years to come. It will be an interesting midterm.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:24 AM
 
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There are 13 states that have abortion ban trigger laws already on the books. They now take effect. So I am not sure what you are talking about. Another 13 or so states are ready to pass laws banning abortions.

13 States Have Abortion Trigger Bans—Here's What Happens When Roe Is Overturned


Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming.
It is properly as it should be a state decision as the founders did not explicitly grant the decision to be a federal one.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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I know. While the constitution doesn't say it the Declaration of Independance gives a right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So a "right to life" Is on far firmer grounds than the made up "right to privacy".
The Declaration of Independence doesn't confer rights either. Read the Preamble again:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

They use "Creator" because they were, as a population, like 99.9% Christian. I use "existence" since it is the easiest way to placate anti-religious zealots who try to get lost in the pedantic weeds.

EXISTENCE itself confers your rights. Your are literally born with the entire slate of individual natural rights.

It's so obvious and simple that Jefferson added "we hold these truths to be self-evident." He borrowed almost that entire preamble from John Locke's "Two Treatises on Government" wherein Locke also gives us the "well duh, that's obvious" disclaimer about natural rights.

Get your head around this very simple concept: Governments do not grant rights. Existence itself grants your rights, and all governments can do is either secure/protect/defend them, or abuse/abridge/violate them.

When that concept is stuck in your head, go read the Bill of Rights again, and you'll see that the Founders knew rights came from existence and the biggest threat to those rights would a tyrannical government taking them away.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Very good decision. Long overdue.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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Quotes from the language of today's Supreme Court's Syllabus and Decision regarding "abortion rights"

Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives. Pp. 8–79.(a)

The critical question is whether the Constitution, properly understood, confers a right to obtain an abortion.
The Constitution grants no rights. Rights are inherent. Thr Constitution only serves to prohibit federal regulation or interference, or in this case to wholly designate the same to the States.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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It’s official, Roe v. Wade is overturned
It's about bloody time!

Not that it'll matter in my state of Maryland, where they're already talking about enshrining the right to kill babies in our state's constitution. But at least it'll be up to the states to decide, as it should have been all along.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 09:30 AM
 
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Yes! and now to become involved more than ever in local elections and voting in pro life leaders.
EXACTLY.

That very concept is the heart of the federalist system of a small central government and 50 SOVEREIGN states. Your government was intended to be small, decentralized and LOCAL, so that you could do exactly as you say...get involved locally so that your community operates as you and the majority of that community wish, without external tyranny from some far away capitol building and a bunch of tyrants who have never even heard of your community.
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