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Old 07-07-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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Lawmakers will use taxpayer money to fill a roughly $10 billion hole in the miners’ doomed fund

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...lout#xj4y7vzkg
2019
There are a few things I want to say about this. First, it really isn’t a good comparison to federal bailout of state’s pension plans. This article is discussing loans. The second thing is I do not support these loans at all. KKR should not receive any government money outside of what they earn from patient services. Beyond that, I despise private equity firms as they are the sleaziest and ruin anything they touch. Taxpayers of other states should not be bailing out states who were irresponsible with their finances, and no company should receive bailout either.

The taxpayers of those states should be held liable for what their government does. If they are held liable they may hold their government to higher standards, which is needed around much of the country.

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Old 07-07-2022, 07:10 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Lawmakers will use taxpayer money to fill a roughly $10 billion hole in the miners’ doomed fund

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...lout#xj4y7vzkg
2019
How is a non interest LOAN from HHS the same as a bailout to state pensions ????
Loans are paid back, bailouts are not.

And Americans all over should not be taxed to pay for NY or CA pensions.
Up state taxes and let the residents cover their own.
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:13 AM
 
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...eans-will-work

This article focuses on Biden's proposal to use $1.9T in taxpayer $'s to prop up unsustainable pension plans in the private sector.

When the details emerge, I predict it will mostly bail out gov't pension plans...like Chicago, Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey, for example.

Gov't pensions have been over-promised for decades, & are a massive Ponzi scheme.

Pensions in the private sector have become nearly extinct, so there's not many left to bail out, which is why I say the $'s will go to gov't pensions.

Either way, Biden want to force YOU to pay for other people's retirements...the people he chooses.

Nevermind the fact that ~60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck & have 0$ saved for retirement.

If I'm right, & most of the ~$2T goes to gov't pensions, imagine what it will do to this 2018 chart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...ending_GDP.png

Pray that Manchin & Sinema will stand firm against this too.
Yep- the irresponsible leftist states do not have the money for their pensions.

So rather than asking them to not have such exorbitant pensions, Biden just bails them out.

The next president will reverse all Biden's insanity and/or the republican congress will pass legislation to reverse it
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:28 AM
 
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Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) existed since 1974 - long before Biden was president. It's good for the small guy - regular workers.

Before PBGC, my father lost his pension because his employer went bankrupt. Poof, gone. PBGC was formed to prevent workers from getting their pensions wiped out after working for decades expecting the pension they were promised.

There are a lot of hard working blue collar construction workers, railroad workers, coal miners, manufacturing workers, teachers, police, firefighters and laborers that would lose their pension if not for PBGC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensio...ty_Corporation

PBGC is not funded by general tax revenues. Its funds come from four sources:
  • Insurance premiums paid by sponsors of defined benefit pension plans;
  • Assets held by the pension plans it takes over;
  • Recoveries of unfunded pension liabilities from plan sponsors' bankruptcy estates; and
  • Investment income.

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Old 07-07-2022, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...eans-will-work

This article focuses on Biden's proposal to use $1.9T in taxpayer $'s to prop up unsustainable pension plans in the private sector.

When the details emerge, I predict it will mostly bail out gov't pension plans...like Chicago, Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey, for example.

Gov't pensions have been over-promised for decades, & are a massive Ponzi scheme.

Pensions in the private sector have become nearly extinct, so there's not many left to bail out, which is why I say the $'s will go to gov't pensions.

Either way, Biden want to force YOU to pay for other people's retirements...the people he chooses.

Nevermind the fact that ~60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck & have 0$ saved for retirement.

If I'm right, & most of the ~$2T goes to gov't pensions, imagine what it will do to this 2018 chart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...ending_GDP.png

Pray that Manchin & Sinema will stand firm against this too.
Just as anyone with an IQ over about 100 could have foreseen. No such thing as a responsibly run blue state. Run up the bills, and then turn it over to friendly administrations in the federal government to bail them out.
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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How about he worries about shoring up social security instead. Oh, that’s okay, we can just print more money to cover that too. This is the democrat fiscal policy in the 21st century.
And the Republican fiscal policy. In terms of how they waste our money and overspend, the parties are indistinguishable. And they have been for decades.
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:33 AM
 
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For the voters who voted for this clown and his agenda are you still backing your man?
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:36 AM
 
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Just as anyone with an IQ over about 100 could have foreseen. No such thing as a responsibly run blue state. Run up the bills, and then turn it over to friendly administrations in the federal government to bail them out.
What about the Red states that rely on the Federal taxes paid by Blue states to run them? They are net takers who receive more in Federal funding than their citizens pay. I’d love to see that change and require each state gets the same percentage of a federal dollars based on the contributions of their citizenry. How you gonna run those “well run” red states then??
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:41 AM
 
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In 2019, the Republican lead Senate passed a bill to bailout coal miners pensions and Trump signed the bill in law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/b...s-bailout.html

Congress Saves Coal Miner Pensions, but What About Others?

Dec 24, 2019

Lawmakers will use taxpayer money to fill a roughly $10 billion hole in the miners’ doomed fund. But more plans face the same problems.
The $1.4 trillion spending bill passed by Congress last week quietly achieves what a parade of select committees and coordinating councils could not: rescue a dying pension fund that is the lifeblood of nearly 100,000 retired coal miners.
For the first time in 45 years of federal pension law, taxpayer dollars will be used to bail out a fund for workers in the private sector. And now that there’s a precedent, it might not be the last.
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A failure to act would have had dire consequences: Tens of thousands of miners, many in already economically distressed areas, would have lost their benefits. And coal pensions support not just families but sometimes whole towns
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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What about the Red states that rely on the Federal taxes paid by Blue states to run them? They are net takers who receive more in Federal funding than their citizens pay. I’d love to see that change and require each state gets the same percentage of a federal dollars based on the contributions of their citizenry. How you gonna run those “well run” red states then??
Nice deflection.
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