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This is why I do not understand why some are caught up in the "betrayal" from Vice President Pence. All the Vice President does is count the votes of the electors. Anything else is supposed to be dealt with in State Houses. There was nothing he could have done, even if there was solid evidence of a stolen election.
(I am not quite sure I believe the election was stolen, but it certainly was not fair.)
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I totally agree with what you're saying. However, each of these law suites were tossed and the SCOTUS refused the cases. What do you think that means? If there is a hint of something inappropriate, it is decided in court, and Trump lost all but one case where some ballots were set aside that made zero difference to the outcome of the election. Again. Bill Barr Trump's lap dog drew his line in the sand when he refused to perpetuate the lie that the election was stolen. I urge you to read the transcripts from the January 6th Republican testimony. They will tell you the same thing.
The Supreme Court, or any other court, does not decide what is fair. They decide what is constitutional or unconstitutional. As I recall, each of President Trump's lawsuits were thrown out for lack of standing and/or lack of sufficient evidence of fraud.
And, I never stated I thought the election was fraudulent. I said there was the possibility it was, due to the sudden changes in election law, that received no checks and balances, and in which some of those very same laws have been ruled to be unconstitutional in the states in which they were enacted. The new laws created the opportunity for fraud to occur. And, because of this, I can definitely say the last election was not fair.
But, just because it was not fair, does not necessarily mean that it was fraudulent.
The Supreme Court, or any other court, does not decide what is fair. They decide what is constitutional or unconstitutional. As I recall, each of President Trump's lawsuits were thrown out for lack of standing and/or lack of sufficient evidence of fraud.
And, I never stated I thought the election was fraudulent. I said there was the possibility it was, due to the sudden changes in election law, that received no checks and balances, and in which some of those very same laws have been ruled to be unconstitutional in the states in which they were enacted. The new laws created the opportunity for fraud to occur. And, because of this, I can definitely say the last election was not fair.
But, just because it was not fair, does not necessarily mean that it was fraudulent.
Georgia, and Arizona didn't change any election laws before the election yet both states received lot of pressure to overturn the results based on zero evidence that could have changed the outcome. The reason why both of those states received so much pressure was because republicans had a majority control in all branches of state Government. That tells me Trump and his supporters don't really care about any of the changes made before the election their goal was to install Trump as president again based on false allegations of wide spread fraud without a shred of evidence.
Georgia, and Arizona didn't change any election laws before the election yet both states received lot of pressure to overturn the results based on zero evidence that could have changed the outcome. The reason why both of those states received so much pressure was because republicans had a majority control in all branches of state Government. That tells me Trump and his supporters don't really care about any of the changes made before the election their goal was to install Trump as president again based on false allegations of wide spread fraud without a shred of evidence.
I firmly believe that the 'evidence' of election tampering will come out at some point in the future, and it's going to be a scandal of epic proportion. Was it enough to give Trump a win? Almost certainy no. But was there intentional, pre-planned tampering by the Democrat party? Almost certainly yes.
What bothers me is the acceptance/excusal of the latter simply because in this case it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome. But the cheating is condoned.
That what Trump demanded Pence to do was illegal. Some Trump supporters still did not internalize that. Folks (still) think that hanging the VP in such circumstances makes sense.
I firmly believe that the 'evidence' of election tampering will come out at some point in the future, and it's going to be a scandal of epic proportion. Was it enough to give Trump a win? Almost certainy no. But was there intentional, pre-planned tampering by the Democrat party? Almost certainly yes.
What bothers me is the acceptance/excusal of the latter simply because in this case it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome. But the cheating is condoned.
Your "firm belief" and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
There are people who "firmly believe" that we never landed on the moon or that Bigfoot exists, too. Just like you, their "firm belief" has no impact on reality.
Your "firm belief" and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
There are people who "firmly believe" that we never landed on the moon or that Bigfoot exists, too. Just like you, their "firm belief" has no impact on reality.
Fair point. But there are factions from both sides that are actively trying to redefine 'reality'.
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