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Old 07-16-2022, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Who is running the health-care systems in California?

Interesting, how a family and their employers averages $21,000+ in health care insurance costs before deductables and co-pays and one hospital made a billion dollars after expenses and yet the patients at that hospital according the news story wait 12 to 24 hours for a bed outside of the emergency room.

Average California family and their employers pay $21,000 in health care premiums and that is before co-pays and other costs to and yet according to the Doctor at Cedar-Senai patients have to wait in ER for 12 to 24 hours for a hospital bed.

Cedar-Senai made $ 1,004,392,000 after it's expenses and yet the patients wait 12 to 24 hours for a hospital bed outside the ER.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ed2J_CVVQo

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/about/f...d-reports.html

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...:%22desc%22%7D
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Old 07-16-2022, 09:01 PM
 
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Could still be due to Covid related staffing issues.
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Old 07-16-2022, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Could still be due to Covid related staffing issues.
Everything is an excuse with the American Health Care establishment!

They get a 1.5 trillion check for Medicare and Medicaid alone and yet they still make excuses for the reason why they can't provide excellent services like other industries in the economy.

No other country uses the "COVID" excuse like this one when it comes to health-care.

The government gives them 1.5 trillion dollars in Medicare and Medicaid money alone and then there is government healthcare money from government employees and government money from the exchanges.

Yet, they seem to have constant issues.

The "COVID" related staffing issues is just an excuse to provide a terrible service by warehousing people in an Emergency Room for 24 hours and then they use "COVID" as an excuse.

The United States spends far more than any country per-capita on health-care and gets $1.5 trillion in Medicare and Medicaid money plus hundreds and hundreds of exchange and government-workers health care premiums.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...NHE-Fact-Sheet
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Old 07-16-2022, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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Everything is an excuse with the American Health Care establishment!

They get a 1.5 trillion check for Medicare and Medicaid alone and yet they still make excuses for the reason why they can't provide excellent services like other industries in the economy.

No other country uses the "COVID" excuse like this one when it comes to health-care.

The government gives them 1.5 trillion dollars in Medicare and Medicaid money alone and then there is government healthcare money from government employees and government money from the exchanges.

Yet, they seem to have constant issues.

The "COVID" related staffing issues is just an excuse to provide a terrible service by warehousing people in an Emergency Room for 24 hours and then they use "COVID" as an excuse.

The United States spends far more than any country per-capita on health-care and gets $1.5 trillion in Medicare and Medicaid money plus hundreds and hundreds of exchange and government-workers health care premiums.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...NHE-Fact-Sheet
This^^^x eleventy! I'm seeing it first hand. Short staffing is a choice and Covid is the excuse du jour.
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Old 07-16-2022, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This^^^x eleventy! I'm seeing it first hand. Short staffing is a choice and Covid is the excuse du jour.
It sure is the "excuse du jour"

In Democratic cities like Los Angeles though they can use the COVID excuse for having their patients in the ER for 12-24 hours waiting for a bed.

These hospital CEO's just don't care much.

These hospitals are having people wait 12-24 hours in the ER because it makes a good news story and then the liberal politicians have an excuse to allocate more government money to the health-care establishment.

The government on a per-capita basis gives these hospitals a fortune compared to many European and Asian countries and yet the tremendous amount of tax-payer is never enough.
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Old 07-17-2022, 02:14 AM
 
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Cedars-Sinai is a private hospital in Beverly Hills.

A person who can pay $50,000 for a simple child birth or a million for a cancer surgery is a hospital's preferred patient.

If you don't have $50,000, go to Kaiser.
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Old 07-17-2022, 02:37 AM
 
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So a couple months ago I became suddenly ill due to my chemotherapy. And by ill, I mean I was dying.

It took about 30 minutes for me to get in, but other had been there far FAR longer. Triage. And I was in the ER. For over a day. As I lay there I could hear the other guy on the other side of the wall. And he was clearly dying of Covid. They were going to intubate him. He also spent almost a day in the ER before being moved elsewhere, and I went to intensive care. It was very very rough listening to this poor guy.

We arent the most busy hospital, but I have to say-its been non stop for a long long time now. And covid is a massive strain. Nurses are burning out causing shortages. You cant make them appear via miracles.
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Old 07-17-2022, 03:49 AM
 
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So a couple months ago I became suddenly ill due to my chemotherapy. And by ill, I mean I was dying.

It took about 30 minutes for me to get in, but other had been there far FAR longer. Triage. And I was in the ER. For over a day. As I lay there I could hear the other guy on the other side of the wall. And he was clearly dying of Covid. They were going to intubate him. He also spent almost a day in the ER before being moved elsewhere, and I went to intensive care. It was very very rough listening to this poor guy.

We arent the most busy hospital, but I have to say-its been non stop for a long long time now. And covid is a massive strain. Nurses are burning out causing shortages. You cant make them appear via miracles.
I doubt that patient had COVID, in every hospital they will segregate COVID patients to a dedicated area and cancer treatments will not take place next to the COVID patients. These were the standards laid out in the annals of oncology July 2020, and followed by every US hospital not wanting to be fined and or sued.

What you heard was someone being intubated (probably). Pneumonitis is the second leading cause of death after arterial thromboembolism among people receiving chemotherapy. Minus of course simple progression of cancer.
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Old 07-17-2022, 06:27 AM
 
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I doubt that patient had COVID, in every hospital they will segregate COVID patients to a dedicated area and cancer treatments will not take place next to the COVID patients. These were the standards laid out in the annals of oncology July 2020, and followed by every US hospital not wanting to be fined and or sued.

What you heard was someone being intubated (probably). Pneumonitis is the second leading cause of death after arterial thromboembolism among people receiving chemotherapy. Minus of course simple progression of cancer.
Let me be clear then. Both me and the other guy spent a day in the ER because there was no bedspace. There is nowhere to put EITHER of us. Hes on the other side of a wall from me. I can hear EVERYTHING. I know EXACTLY his diagnosis, the story about how he wanted to go home, but his brother insisted he stay etc etc etc.
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Old 07-17-2022, 07:07 AM
 
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I doubt that patient had COVID, in every hospital they will segregate COVID patients to a dedicated area and cancer treatments will not take place next to the COVID patients. These were the standards laid out in the annals of oncology July 2020, and followed by every US hospital not wanting to be fined and or sued.

What you heard was someone being intubated (probably). Pneumonitis is the second leading cause of death after arterial thromboembolism among people receiving chemotherapy. Minus of course simple progression of cancer.
Are you trying to convince the person that actually experienced this, or yourself?

My wife died 7yrs ago. She was sick all her adult life. I've spent more time in ER's than I care to remember. 7 to 10 yrs ago there was an 8 to 10 hrs wait in the ER, where have you people been? This is old news...
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