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Old 12-04-2022, 03:54 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz View Post
FUD.

You realize there was no border control of any type on the US-Mexico border until about the last 100 years right? How did we survive for well over 100 years as a sovereign state with open borders? This has only become a problem since the border was closed. People like you instead of admitting that it is not working, just keep doubling down over and over again. Building bigger and bigger walls and hiring more border patrol agents, sending vigilantes down there, and everything else you can think of. But it's all a 100% failure, and you can't admit it.

You are the problem not me. It's not that hard to climb over a 25 foot high wall, especially when you know there is a job waiting for you on the other side.
You would have to amend the constitution to get rid of jus soli. Otherwise you would be asking for big problems.
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Old 12-04-2022, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Proof of what?
What did you see on the news?
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I already told you what I saw on the news. Scroll up.

You want proof that I was sitting in my living room watching the news on TV on a specific day and time?
Except you didn’t tell me what you saw on the news.

Proof that they had no food or water?
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:08 PM
 
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I already told you what I saw on the news. Scroll up.

You want proof that I was sitting in my living room watching the news on TV on a specific day and time?
So you saw it, on an unknown news source to us, an you want us to 100% believe you, hands down you are right and that's the end of it?

How leftist of you.
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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So you saw it, on an unknown news source to us, an you want us to 100% believe you, hands down you are right and that's the end of it?

How leftist of you.
Bingo…it would’ve made huge headlines.
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:20 PM
 
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You would have to amend the constitution to get rid of jus soli. Otherwise you would be asking for big problems.
Not really, just go by the wording in the 14th Amendment of which hasn't been done.
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:29 PM
 
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We didn't need border control 100 years ago as our populations was much lower and we were in need of manual laborers back then, not so today. Today we need skilled immigrants. However, we did have immigration laws back then and those who came over from Europe had to meet certain criteria to be allowed into our country such as health checks. Since then we have had stricter border and immigration policies it's just that they aren't being enforced like they should be.

The border has never been closed! We have always had legal ports of entry. The good walls in place have been 90% effective in deterring illegal entry. It was only half finished though as Biden put an end to it. A wall is much cheaper then hiring more border agents. The only failure in all of this is the Biden administration and his border and immigration policies. Doesn't matter how determined an illegal is who wants a job here. Most of them will not make it over the good walls. How is a job waiting for them anyway? Was there an employment ad in the Mexican newspaper?
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:57 PM
 
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What would solve this, is don't hire them. And charge people with crimes who do.

Done and one. No busses, no armored personnel carriers, no further angst that our borders are sieves.
Come on now It has been explained over and over again ad nauseum that not all of them are coming here to work. Many are coming here to do harm. For example, terrorists, gang members, drug mules and child traffickers. They don't care about finding jobs.
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Old 12-04-2022, 04:59 PM
 
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Are they feeding the people on the busses this time? Last stunt I heard about, the people had no food or water over a multiday bus ride.
Well, you just heard wrong.
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Old 12-05-2022, 05:41 AM
 
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Worried about the cost....LOL.

How much do the illegals that have come into this country costs taxpayers? Perhaps I missed it but I haven't seen you bring up any concerns over cost about the cost these Sanctuary cities are paying for their policies
I'm going to figure that you didn't vote for Abbott, but a majority of Texas voters did and his dealing with the border was a big factor in that.

To answer your specific question as to what they would do. Let me help you out with one word.

DETERENT.
"How much do the illegals that have come into this country costs taxpayers?

A bit dated, 2008, and it has only gotten WORSE!

One Hospital in one city in the USA
VERY INTENSE...thanks....long read but this situation and its long-term magnitude (and current status) warrant it at times...

This is only One Hospital in one city in the USA[

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas,Texas is a fairly famous institution
and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later..by
coincidence

*"On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year*

*(That's almost 44 per day---every day)*

*A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
immigrants.. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.*

According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars
in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County
taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5
million.

The average patient in Park land's maternity ward is 25 years old, married
and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigra
nt.. By
law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their
immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday,
middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital, they do. Parkland
Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient
at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child ---her previous two
were also born at Parkland. Her first two deliveries were free and the
Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in
Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for
the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not
that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even
bother asking at this point.)

"How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly
after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having her own child
there as well (That's right, she's technically a US citizen)

These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car
seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only
for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost
insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any
sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income. An American citizen
would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their
annual income - an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the
hospital must take them at their word.

"My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq )
and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these
perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our
public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American
citizens? Yes, it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's
bare bones, meat and potato medical care - not top of line.

Their (the illegals') medical care is free - simply because they are
illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn
less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not
refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not
so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for
un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free
treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the hospital is
going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But US citizens who live
outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP
story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband.
The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother
was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was
apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now
providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak
Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas
Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now
have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed
curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous
multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

( Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation - particularly to
our "employees" in Congress.)

*Remember that this is only ONE hospital is Dallas, Texas. There are many
more hospitals across our country that also have to deal with this.*

*SO TRUMP IS RIGHT WANTING TO FOCUS ON ILLEGAL IMMIGATION*

*REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT 'UNDOCUMENTED ' , THEY ARE ILLEGAL & MILKING AMERICA
DRY....*..

*PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY US CITIZEN AND LEGAL RESIDENT YOU KNOW.*

If you want to verify accuracy:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/ [/CENTER][/CENTER]
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