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Old 07-26-2023, 09:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
A common brag about the Trump fans here is that the US was energy independent under Trump whereas now, under Biden, we're not.

The problem with that argument is, it's not actually true.

Article dated May 2, 2023.

U.S. Energy Independence Soars To Highest Level In Over 70 Years
Please, don't p down my neck and tell me it's raining.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:15 AM
 
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If all of this were true, why did Biden go begging to the Saudis for more oil? If the U.S. is so energy independent, why are gas prices and home heating costs through the roof?

If creepy demented Biden is that great, why hasn't he done anything to control the price gouging? Even if Trump had less production (allegedly) than there is under Biden, the country certainly had lower costs to the consumer. People didn't have to decide whether or not to fill up their tanks or put food on the table, a problem that has come to exist since day one of this pathetic incompetent administration.

You can pump up Biden all you want, but you're only fooling yourself.
What price gouging? You sound like Elizabeth Warren fyi.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:16 AM
 
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So, when the US gets energy independent under Trump, it's, All Hail Trump For Making The US Energy Independent!

But when the exact same thing happens under Biden, it's, Biden Had Nothing To Do With It!

Got it.
Heck yes because Biden is a lying Piece of sh**t trying to make himself look like the good guy to public in hopes of getting enough of his liberal left wing party voted into congress during 2024 election (even tried to do this in 2022 midterms) so he can get laws passed that destroy the fossil fuel industry entirely and implement the evil Marxist green new deal on all of us.

People seem to forget that.

Do people not know that Biden recently is trying to put insane EPA standards for car emissions unobtainable that would in affect not allow auto makers to produce gas automobiles in an effort to force EVs down our throat?? Neverminded trying to use DOE to ban gas stoves and water heaters and make electric only allowed.

Biden is not our friend when it comes to more fossil fuel production no matter what it is he is only now allowing on federal lands regarding drilling (You do realize when he got in office he banned it all right). Its all for show now so he can do what I said above if he gets a high democrat congress majority voted in. Do not be fooled!!

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Old 07-26-2023, 09:18 AM
 
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So, when the US gets energy independent under Trump, it's, All Hail Trump For Making The US Energy Independent!

But when the exact same thing happens under Biden, it's, Biden Had Nothing To Do With It!

Got it.
What did Biden do to make this happen?
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:22 AM
 
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U.S. to sell 26 mln bbls of oil reserves as mandated by Congress | February 13, 2023

The strategic reserve goes up and down all the time. Releasing some of it can help the consumer in a pinch, but the strategic reserve represents a small percentage of the total volume of oil transacted in the marketplace.

Another relatively unknown fact is that the US has a great deal of refining capacity, so oil comes in from different parts of the world to be refined and goes straight out again into the world market. This refining service is an important part of our economy, but it does not necessarily increase our own supply.

US production is definitely up, but that is most likely due to the number of old DUC wells brought to completion. These are mostly wells that were drilled but shut down due to the low price of crude coming out of Saudi Arabia while they were having their fun and games ruining everyone else's oil industries.
You must work as either a Stand up Comic or in the Public relations office of the DNC.

It was consistently increasing during Trump's administration. It hit a high in January 2020 before COVID, took a hit, and then took another hit right after Biden became President. So yes it is "up", but still after over 2 years still barely at the levels we were at during the highs.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

The only thing right now running the oil industry is Biden and his administration telling them that they are going to put them out of business in the next few decades.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If all of this were true, why did Biden go begging to the Saudis for more oil? If the U.S. is so energy independent, why are gas prices and home heating costs through the roof?
Maybe you are too focused on Biden, - or afraid of this making him look good. US has never been energy independent in the sense that we did not have to import oil. We have always imported, and Saudi oil is best suited to produce gasoline. Why did he ask them? Simple, - because gas was so expensive in US.

In 2015 US oil companies started fracking, and were able to boost production to a point where imports fell 75%, and today US is the largest producer in the world. Biden didn't do it, Obama or Trump didn't do it, the new method of extracting oil did it.

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People didn't have to decide whether or not to fill up their tanks or put food on the table
If you have to make those kinds of decisions, then you probably qualify for food stamps, and other assistance. Help is available.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:23 AM
 
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So, when the US gets energy independent under Trump, it's, All Hail Trump For Making The US Energy Independent!

But when the exact same thing happens under Biden, it's, Biden Had Nothing To Do With It!

Got it.
From your own article, no single administration can take credit for it. So it may not have been Trump, but it also wasn't Biden.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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From your own article, no single administration can take credit for it. So it may not have been Trump, but it also wasn't Biden.
Most of the boom was under Obama, but he didn't invent fracking, but nor did he stand in the way. It just happened to happen when he was in office.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:36 AM
 
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From your own article, no single administration can take credit for it. So it may not have been Trump, but it also wasn't Biden.
Yes, the thread is essentially saying such credit taking/blaming of a president is nonsense.
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Old 07-26-2023, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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What did Biden do to make this happen?
The same thing Trump did to make it happen when he was president: Nothing.
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