We are repeating the same history that led to the downfall of the Roman empire (illegal, extremist)
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The main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was the crisis of the third century.
26 civil wars in 50 years is what destroyed the Roman armies.
And there were several plagues that nearly depopulated many areas and destroyed the economy.
Diocletian and the Tetrarchy's revival of the empire is more akin to raising a zombie than bringing it back to life.
Third Century civil wars:
235–284: Crisis of the Third Century – at least 26 claimants fought with each other to become emperor and emperors fought against usurpers, resulting in frequent civil war and breakaway Gallic Roman (260–274) and Palmyrene Empires (270–273).
238: Year of the Six Emperors between various generals against Maximinus Thrax and after his murder.
238 – Battle of Carthage – Troops loyal to the Roman Emperor Maximinus Thrax defeat and kill his successor Gordian II. After Gordian I and Gordian II are defeated by a pro-Maximinus Army following an attempt to overthrow the emperor, Maximinus is assassinated. Pupienus, Balbinus, and Gordian III replace him, but the former two are assassinated within months and only Gordian III survives.
240: Failed usurpation of Sabinianus in Mauretania
248–249: Failed usurpations of Jotapianus in Syria and Pacatianus in Moesia.
249: Emperor Philip the Arab killed and overthrown by rebels at the Battle of Verona and replaced by Decius.
250: Failed usurpation of Licinianus in Rome.
251: Failed usurpation of Titus Julius Priscus in Thrace.
252: Failed usurpation of Cyriades in Syria.
253: Usurpations of Aemilianus and Valerian: Emperors Trebonianus Gallus and Volusianus murdered by their soldiers and replaced by Aemilianus. Valerian raises the Rhine legions in revolt, while Aemilianus is killed by his own soldiers.
254: Failed usurpation of Uranius in Syria.
260: Failed usurpations of Ingenuus and Regalianus in Pannonia; possibly of Sponsianus in Dacia.
260–261: Failed usurpation of Macrianus Major, Macrianus Minor, Quietus and Balista in the East
260–274: The breakaway Gallic Empire
261: Failed usurpations of Lucius Piso and Valens Thessalonicus in Achaea.
261–262: Failed usurpation of Mussius Aemilianus and Memor in Egypt.
267: Failed usurpation of Maeonius in Palmyra.
268: Failed usurpation of Aureolus in the West. Emperor Gallienus murdered by his soldiers and Claudius Gothicus proclaimed Emperor.
270: Usurpation of Aurelian against Quintillus.
Palmyrene war between Rome and the breakaway Palmyrene Empire.
270 – Palmyrene invasion of Egypt – Palmyrene victory
272 –
Battle of Immae – Aurelian defeats the army of Zenobia of Palmyra
Battle of Emesa – Aurelian decisively defeats Zenobia.
271: Failed usurpations of Felicissimus in Rome and Septimius in Dalmatia.
274 – Battle of Châlons – Aurelian defeats the Gallic usurper Tetricus, reestablishing central control of the whole empire.
275: Aurelian murdered by the Praetorian Guard and replaced by Marcus Claudius Tacitus
276: Usurpation of Probus against Florianus.
280: Failed usurpation of Julius Saturninus in the East.
280–281: Failed usurpation of Proculus and Bonosus in the West.
282: Probus assassinated by his soldiers. The new emperor Carus may have been involved in the plotting.
283–285: Failed usurpation of Sabinus Julianus.
284–285: Usurpation of Diocletian against Carinus
285 – Battle of the Margus – The usurper Diocletian defeated the army of the Emperor Carinus, who was killed.
Government corruption and political instability.
Biden and his family's shenanigans, Jan 6, election fraud, Trump's indictments/impeachments, huge divide between the 2 major political parties.
Inflation
Over-reliance on artificially low interest rates to spur economic growth, and now money printing on overdrive.
Military overspending and overexpansion.
$1T/year on the military to support 1000 military bases around the world.
Are we to expect a different outcome?
The western Roman Empire lasted for less than 150 years while the eastern Roman Empire lasted till 1453 during the early period of the rennisance.
The scapegoat is the immigrants, the culprits are the rich and powerful.
Yes, very true. And it's easiest to attack those with the least of voices.
This country has always had immigrants, like all other lands on the globe. Chicken Littles can't handle that simple fact. Our ancestors immigrated here. Others will come. Numbers will change. All part of the cycle.
If your mindset is no larger than Faux News, nothing can rescue you from the extremist path.
The US is not the Roman Empire, and will not collapse like it. The collapse of the Roman Empire was a unique event in history, and will not be replicated. Present day US resembles the USSR circa 1989 far more than it does the Roman Empire.
The main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was the crisis of the third century.
26 civil wars in 50 years is what destroyed the Roman armies.
And there were several plagues that nearly depopulated many areas and destroyed the economy.
Diocletian and the Tetrarchy's revival of the empire is more akin to raising a zombie than bringing it back to life.
Third Century civil wars:
235–284: Crisis of the Third Century – at least 26 claimants fought with each other to become emperor and emperors fought against usurpers, resulting in frequent civil war and breakaway Gallic Roman (260–274) and Palmyrene Empires (270–273).
238: Year of the Six Emperors between various generals against Maximinus Thrax and after his murder.
238 – Battle of Carthage – Troops loyal to the Roman Emperor Maximinus Thrax defeat and kill his successor Gordian II. After Gordian I and Gordian II are defeated by a pro-Maximinus Army following an attempt to overthrow the emperor, Maximinus is assassinated. Pupienus, Balbinus, and Gordian III replace him, but the former two are assassinated within months and only Gordian III survives.
240: Failed usurpation of Sabinianus in Mauretania
248–249: Failed usurpations of Jotapianus in Syria and Pacatianus in Moesia.
249: Emperor Philip the Arab killed and overthrown by rebels at the Battle of Verona and replaced by Decius.
250: Failed usurpation of Licinianus in Rome.
251: Failed usurpation of Titus Julius Priscus in Thrace.
252: Failed usurpation of Cyriades in Syria.
253: Usurpations of Aemilianus and Valerian: Emperors Trebonianus Gallus and Volusianus murdered by their soldiers and replaced by Aemilianus. Valerian raises the Rhine legions in revolt, while Aemilianus is killed by his own soldiers.
254: Failed usurpation of Uranius in Syria.
260: Failed usurpations of Ingenuus and Regalianus in Pannonia; possibly of Sponsianus in Dacia.
260–261: Failed usurpation of Macrianus Major, Macrianus Minor, Quietus and Balista in the East
260–274: The breakaway Gallic Empire
261: Failed usurpations of Lucius Piso and Valens Thessalonicus in Achaea.
261–262: Failed usurpation of Mussius Aemilianus and Memor in Egypt.
267: Failed usurpation of Maeonius in Palmyra.
268: Failed usurpation of Aureolus in the West. Emperor Gallienus murdered by his soldiers and Claudius Gothicus proclaimed Emperor.
270: Usurpation of Aurelian against Quintillus.
Palmyrene war between Rome and the breakaway Palmyrene Empire.
270 – Palmyrene invasion of Egypt – Palmyrene victory
272 –
Battle of Immae – Aurelian defeats the army of Zenobia of Palmyra
Battle of Emesa – Aurelian decisively defeats Zenobia.
271: Failed usurpations of Felicissimus in Rome and Septimius in Dalmatia.
274 – Battle of Châlons – Aurelian defeats the Gallic usurper Tetricus, reestablishing central control of the whole empire.
275: Aurelian murdered by the Praetorian Guard and replaced by Marcus Claudius Tacitus
276: Usurpation of Probus against Florianus.
280: Failed usurpation of Julius Saturninus in the East.
280–281: Failed usurpation of Proculus and Bonosus in the West.
282: Probus assassinated by his soldiers. The new emperor Carus may have been involved in the plotting.
283–285: Failed usurpation of Sabinus Julianus.
284–285: Usurpation of Diocletian against Carinus
285 – Battle of the Margus – The usurper Diocletian defeated the army of the Emperor Carinus, who was killed.
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Some say that Rome fell because of the attack by these tribes. But such a claim overlooks what the Romans had done to themselves. When the Vandals, Goths, Huns and others reached Rome, many citizens actually welcomed them in the belief that anything was better than their own tax collectors and regulators. I think it is accurate to say that Rome committed suicide. First she lost her freedom, then she lost her life.
The US is not the Roman Empire, and will not collapse like it. The collapse of the Roman Empire was a unique event in history, and will not be replicated. Present day US resembles the USSR circa 1989 far more than it does the Roman Empire.
Well, let see...
The big part of the reason behind the collapse of the USSR was the Soviet elite willing to serve the "foreign master" - i.e. America.
Do we see anything similar happening in US ( local elite willing to serve some foreign entity.)
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Government corruption and political instability.
Biden and his family's shenanigans, Jan 6, election fraud, Trump's indictments/impeachments, huge divide between the 2 major political parties.
Inflation
Over-reliance on artificially low interest rates to spur economic growth, and now money printing on overdrive.
Military overspending and overexpansion.
$1T/year on the military to support 1000 military bases around the world.
Are we to expect a different outcome?
That was a small part of it. The Roman empire's fall was largely was down to eclipsing moral values, the loss of religion, and the loss of the traditional family unit. Which is exactly America now.
“Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who do study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it.”
Anonymous 2012
I study history and I have been listening to these doomsday predictions and comparisons to Rome for decades. They are the product of a naturally pessimistic mind
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