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Most people who tout "wait times" etc... fail to add that these are for non emergent surgeries!! And that "wait times" are based on where you live.. population density etc. Believe me , in NY there are "wait times" for needed surgeries that arent' emergent.
Oh.. and let me add this.. if yuo happen to be inbetween plans and needed to switch doctors.. and you need to see your new doctor because you suddently find yourself ill.. good luck getting an appointment for that day.. they'll make you wait a week because they are "full" and can't squeeze in new patients.. happened to me several times.. by then I could be dead for crying out loud! But.. if you go to where my mom lives in MT no problems getting an appointment ..
So.. wait times have nothing to do with UHC or non UHC and more to do with how densley populated a place is... which is common freakin sense!
Really,, my son needing surgery(not emergency surgery) in 1 week was done.... where is the wait time???
And you example of switching doctors is only if you have HMO... not everybody has HMO...
Most people who tout "wait times" etc... fail to add that these are for non emergent surgeries!! And that "wait times" are based on where you live.. population density etc. Believe me , in NY there are "wait times" for needed surgeries that arent' emergent.
Oh.. and let me add this.. if yuo happen to be inbetween plans and needed to switch doctors.. and you need to see your new doctor because you suddently find yourself ill.. good luck getting an appointment for that day.. they'll make you wait a week because they are "full" and can't squeeze in new patients.. happened to me several times.. by then I could be dead for crying out loud! But.. if you go to where my mom lives in MT no problems getting an appointment ..
So.. wait times have nothing to do with UHC or non UHC and more to do with how densley populated a place is... which is common freakin sense!
Our current needs don't necessitate implementing universal healthcare. Not only are the costs way to high but the demand isn't there. What we need is reform and placing the power into the hands of consumers. Many of the people without insurance work full time but work for small companies which have a much higher cost of implementing insurance. Trust me companies would prefer there workers didn't get sick. There are various methods of improving the situation including purchasing across state lines and owning the policy, having control of the what your insurance is comprised of, and tax breaks. Don't say we can't, we can!
We have a hugely inefficient govt. who is wasting billions a year in pork barrel and who have implemented programs like social security that gone over like a lead balloon. It is clear as day our govt isn't capable of implementing and managing a large scale program such as this. There is no exisiting evidence anywhere that could lead a reasonable person to another conclusion. Just recently the congress voted to reduce the amount of money doctors are being reimbursed for medicare. To think they would not control pay like this in a universal program is to deny reality. They already do. To make it even worse implementing a large program like this paints us into a corner, once we have it that's it. But if we stay conservative and take measures gradually we retain flexibility, and freedom.
For the most part supporters of universal healthcare are extremely ignorant. They have no concept of how it would be implemented, the rules, the cost, the log term risks, the effect on our economy or any other factors. To say 'it works in Canada!' means nothing. To me that says 'I have no idea what I'm talking about but hey they do it!'.
Sorry for the little White Lie about the pets!! Geezzz!
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For Example: Canada
Every one born in Canada has health care! Everyone even pets!
And if you need an operation, you will wait,,,, and wait,,,, and wait,,,, also if you are overweight,, that health care is getting smaller and smaller.. and do you know how much they pay in tax.... Also the government has the right to deny treatment or give you the cheapest treatment. And it only covers 70%....
Here in the US! If your working and making good money or your poor enough to get Welfare!
That is true...
What happens to the people in the middle?
Must people inthe middle getting from their employer...
The people who want to work and do not want to be on welfare, but cannot afford losing $110.00 per pay check for insurance!!!
This is the problem!
Yes it is,, and is about 15.7% of the population..
I understand that realistically, the only way we can have a Universal health care is that we have to increase our taxes, one way or another.
Yes like France= 51% of your earnings.
If I work every day and see a person sponging off me, by not working, I wouldn't want a universal health care either!!!
Same here....
My idea is to create a Universal Health care based on the time you work.
Then people without jobs with kids dont get health care?
Welfare.
Section 8
Food Stamps.
Beneifts Should be illiminated for those who continue to not work.
Now you are talking,,, but you always need some type of help... I mean,, someone making 7 dollars an hour need help...
If you do not work in a year period, you do not get any benefits. NONE!
ok,,, i like..... this sounds like a republican to me....
We can make this work!!
1st. Elliminate the high prices of Pharmaceutical products.
Why is it(Pharmaceutical) cheaper outside the US?
Not always,, but we cant elliminate high prices...
A pharmaceutical wasted millions of dollars in research, paying doctors(MD and PhD) for long years to come up with X drug.. they need to make the money back.. If not, they wont research any more and we wont have any new drug...
Ok,, now you are jumping to the democrat part.
2nd. Hospitals in America, need to stop inflating the prices of medication at the Emergency Ward.
Actually if you go to public hospital like Kings County is free.
And let me tell you Hospital business is not so great... Look at Richmond U. hospital in SI, they are losing money... A lot of Hosp. are losing money..
Billions of Dollars are made! Can't you see the new Medical wards that are being built at your local hospital?
Trust me,, Hospitals dont make that much money.. Doctors are expensive.. Nurses are expensive and always keep asking for more and bigger sing in bonuses.
Universal Healthcare is not the way to go... we do have a problem,, just like all other countries with or without universal healthcare..
Only 9% of the people pay direct insurance, everybody else is by employer..
But how big of a problem is it..
let see...
45.8 million people without...
from this number 21% are ilegals... and only 79% legal..
Meaning that only 36 millions AMERICANS dont have insurance..
The rest 9.6 millions dont count,, not even in a universal healthcare(unless we are going to also cover ilegals )
25% are below poverty line,, meaning they can try to get medicaid..
now we have 36 millions which 25% or 9 million can be on medicaid.
leaving 27 millions...
from the 27 millions, 11% are above 500% poverty line, meaning they make minimun 50k a year.. I think he can buy a 100 dollars HMO.
50k for one person, if married this means they make 70k,,,
Now we are at 24 million people... and this represent +-8%
Now the problem is not that big is it???
I was just fustrated about our medical system and the way it works!!
I'm tired of seeing people getting benefits that hard working American's deserve.
OK! Some people have an employer that is very generous to their workers, paying great prices for their employees benefits! Good for You!!!
But some people pay more, that work 8 hours per day 40 hours per week and cannot afford to lose any money from their pay check.
A person for example living in the poor inner city, poor in the south and trailer park (poor) in the midwest can get the same benefits as a worker that breaks his or her back everyday.
What could they(Poor Honest Worker's) do? They cannot afford to lose any more money from their pay check.
Ask yourself that question!
When you find the answer, please share with us!, it seems to me that you have all the answers to our nation issues!!!
When governments intervene and legislate a less competitive health care system some lawmakers will resort to proposing Government Run Health Care with the assumption a Government run system will cover everybody and there will be equity and fairness.
Unfortunately this never happens and if anything just the opposite results. For example in UK, France and Canada, 3 countries either with Government subsidized or government run health care, you see a segregated health care system where the wealthy do not have to use the government hospitals or physicians and can use more upscale private facilities. With most government systems you have one size fits all health care and you are subject to the political whims and competency of the party in charge!
I find it hard to understand why would anyone want a government who can't even get a helicopter to a Katrina victim to run their health care system. Further why would anyone want the government to have access to their personal health records! Can you imagine what would happen if some nasty politician or government worker wanted to target or destroy you?
My own health insurance enables me to see a specialist or even have an MRI like tomorrow if I need to! The choice is mine and not the insurance companies. If our lawmakers would just make the current free enterprise system more competitive and accessible for consumers we would be able to drive costs down dramatically. One good step would be for lawmakers to enforce the Sherman Anti Trust Laws and the Clayton Act as well. Mergers and acquisitions have thwarted competition and driven up insurance costs. Also building more medical schools and hospitals would help to spread the risk and increase competition!
I was just fustrated about our medical system and the way it works!!
I can understand that... nothing is perfect...
I'm tired of seeing people getting benefits that hard working American's deserve.
You are right,, everybody should have health care.. the problem is, should it come from the government or not...
OK! Some people have an employer that is very generous to their workers, paying great prices for their employees benefits! Good for You!!!
And good for them,, since the majority have insurance this way..
But some people pay more, that work 8 hours per day 40 hours per week and cannot afford to lose any money from their pay check.
Well some HMO are really cheap... People should also try to get medicare,, since a big portion of uninsured should have medicaid and for some reason dont apply...
A person for example living in the poor inner city, poor in the south and trailer park (poor) in the midwest can get the same benefits as a worker that breaks his or her back everyday.
Well if you want UHI everybody would have the same insurance..
What could they(Poor Honest Worker's) do? They cannot afford to lose any more money from their pay check.
Ok, if the government each year drops medicaid, private insurance would start to be cheaper... Like HMOs... Also we have public hospitals that will take anybody with or without insurance...
Ask yourself that question!
When you find the answer, please share with us!, it seems to me that you have all the answers to our nation issues!!!
And no,, I dont have all the answers to our nation issues.... Only and active member in my political party...
Really,, my son needing surgery(not emergency surgery) in 1 week was done.... where is the wait time???
And you example of switching doctors is only if you have HMO... not everybody has HMO...
No.. not only an HMO.. there is a thing called PPO and you have to use "network doctors"/ You can go out of network but you pay out of pocket.
Depends on what surgery etc. Depends on where you live.. depends on a lot of things.. Maybe things were calmer ten.. but there are waits... and it certainly wouldn't change if there wasn't if we had a UHC.
I am for removing an unneeded profit level in the insurance industry that produces not one unit of health care and just costs us all money.
I am allfor that.. I mean think about those CEO salaries and bonuses.. think of all the money they spend llobbying (buying) politicians.. eliminate that.. decrease costs and pass that on to the public.
Look - healthcare delivery needs to be reformed - no question. But, it does not need the total destruction of the current system - that is plain silly!
And, as a nation, financially, we cannot afford as taxpayers to pay the bill for a UHI system - Few would accept their federal income tax rates to be at 50/60/70% -
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Sorry for the little White Lie about the pets!! Geezzz!
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