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Didn't the nazis own Volkswagon at one time? They also owned some other things. I'll look it up. I really love history and especially of WWII.
No. You may be thinking of the fact that Hitler met with Professor Porsche and drew him a sketch, telling him that he wanted Porsche to develop a car for the common man. That original sketch by Hitler led directly to the basic design of the Volkswagon Beetle.
The first VW Beetles appeared just prior to the start of the war - and although they had been designed for the common Man, those early models went to NAZI bigwigs instead and production of the vehicle was put on hold - not to begin again until after the war - when Porsche dug up the design and restarted production.
Ken
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So tell me, which companies exactly did the NAZI's take over operations for?
This is really easy,,, just do a search about Dr. Ferdinand Porsche,, and his experience durring the Nazi with his company, making the Hitlers famous Volkswagen,, and how Hitler him self interfere in the production..
Come on, you made the claim so back it up with some facts.
Which companies did they do this to?
I already did...
You can also read this [SIZE=5][LEFT]A[/SIZE][SIZE=3]GAINST THE MAINSTREAM[/SIZE][SIZE=5]: N[/SIZE][SIZE=3]AZI PRIVATIZATION IN [/SIZE][SIZE=5]1930[/SIZE][SIZE=3]S [/SIZE][SIZE=5]G[/SIZE][SIZE=3]ERMANY
Abstract:[/LEFT] [/SIZE][SIZE=3][LEFT]The Great Depression spurred State ownership in Western capitalist countries. Germany was no
exception; the last governments of the Weimar Republic took over firms in diverse sectors. Later,
the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. In doing
so, they went against the mainstream trends in the Western capitalist countries, none of which
systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization in Nazi Germany was also
unique in transferring to private hands the delivery of public services previously provided by
government. The firms and the services transferred to private ownership belonged to diverse
sectors. Privatization was part of an intentional policy with multiple objectives and was not
ideologically driven. As in many recent privatizations, particularly within the European Union,
strong financial restrictions were a central motivation. In addition, privatization was used as a
political tool to enhance support for the government and for the Nazi Party.[/LEFT]
[/SIZE]Source: http://www.ub.es/graap/nazi.pdf
Pretty much the only properties siezed by the NAZI's was that taken from Jews and other political prisoners - which the NAZI's simply sold. They had NO interest in owner (or even controling) the "Means of Production" until way late in the war.
I am sorry,, but this whole statement is wrong...
If you can prove otherwise, do so - if not, give it up.
Already did...
"the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector."
The NAZI's did NOT make a policy of owning private property. They coordinated with private business - but so did the US and Britain (who actually did it to a FAR greater extent than the NAZI's did).
I'm well aware of the relationship the NAZI's had with private business and I never said they didn't exert influence, but they did NOT tend to own the "Means of Production" and as mentioned did less to control those means and go to a total war status than the Allies did (until 1943).
Socialism has a very distinct (though broad) definition, and the NAZI's do NOT meet that definition. They were Totalitarians, they were not Socialists.
If you don't like the ACCEPTED definition of something you just choose to ignore that definition and make up YOUR OWN.
I guess if living in your own reality makes you happy, then go for it - but the truth of the matter is, you are living in a dream world.
Ken
Zing!
Yes, the Nazis were a right-wing creation. From Merriam Webster's definition of the Left: "those professing views usually characterized by desire to reform or overthrow the established order especially in politics and usually advocating change in the name of the greater freedom or well-being of the common man"
If you really want understand the inner workings of industry under the NAZI's and what the party did and didn't control, read Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich". This is the REAL scoop on what the NAZI's did and didn't control in German Industry. He doesn't whitewash it either - nor try to shift blame from himself. He does however make VERY clear that German industry was an accomplice and not a puppet to the NAZI's and that NAZI control of the Means of Production was initially very weak.
It's a good read and I highly recommend it for the INSIDE story of what did and didn't happen.
Didn't the nazis own Volkswagon at one time? They also owned some other things. I'll look it up. I really love history and especially of WWII.
They didn't own anything but they did biz with Porsch as well as many other international corps......Ford,GMC,Krupp,Simmons, just to name a few........
"the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector."
Yes,, to whom??? Nazi official.. what is the difference???
The NAZI's did NOT make a policy of owning private property.
To be socialist you dont need to own the property but to control it...
They coordinated with private business
Coordinated??? I think they did a little more.. they actually controlled everything.. If you they not only killed Jews, but many non jewish germans,, I mean if you even talk agains the Nazi party you get arrested,, is that not controlling???
- but so did the US and Britain (who actually did it to a FAR greater extent than the NAZI's did).
I'm well aware of the relationship the NAZI's had with private business and I never said they didn't exert influence, but they did NOT tend to own the "Means of Production" and as mentioned did less to control those means and go to a total war status than the Allies did (until 1943).
the Nazi party controlled almost every aspect of privates companies.. including the means fo production using jewish slaves in factures...
Socialism has a very distinct (though broad) definition, and the NAZI's do NOT meet that definition. They were Totalitarians, they were not Socialists.
Ken
Since this is opinions,, we will never win this... In my opinion they werent capitalist because they didnt let the company to be free, and freedom of capitalismmm
in my opinion they were socialist, since they had a great affect and controlling power in the private sector.. Socialism can be owning a company or controlling it.. Socialism is when the government interfere with any aspect of th economi. Capitalism is when the government never interferes....
But if you want you can read this: National Socialist Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also this,,
Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland, John (1976). Adolf Hitler. Doubleday, p.306.
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.”
Lee, Stephen J. (1996), Weimar and Nazi Germany, Harcourt Heinemann, page 28
…that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens… the abolition of all incomes unearned by work… the ruthless confiscation of all war profits… the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations… profit-sharing in large enterprises… extensive development of insurance for old-age… land reform suitable to our national requirements...
Hitler told the influential editor of a pro-business newspaper, “I want everyone to keep what he has earned subject to the principle that the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State… The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners.”
Yes, the Nazis were a right-wing creation. From Merriam Webster's definition of the Left: "those professing views usually characterized by desire to reform or overthrow the established order especially in politics and usually advocating change in the name of the greater freedom or well-being of the common man"
LOL yeah, that sounds like Nazi Germany to me!
You really dont know what you are talking about...
They didn't own anything but they did biz with Porsch as well as many other international corps......Ford,GMC,Krupp,Simmons, just to name a few........
Wrong,,
is true they didnt own the company,, but they were in full controll of it,, even Dr. Porsch said so...
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