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I'm a proud RWA over here. If I had my choice, I'd submit this entire country to military or police rule and eliminate deviants. It is a good thing I'm not in charge, for you at least.
This country will never be under police/military rule. That problem sir would be "dealt" with.
I'm a proud RWA over here. If I had my choice, I'd submit this entire country to military or police rule and eliminate deviants. It is a good thing I'm not in charge, for you at least.
It's a good thing for the constitution of this country (and thus all _freedom_ loving Americans) that you aren't in charge.
The National Socialist Party of Germany could hardly be construed as right-wing, except by the truly ignorant. If you want examples of right-wing fascists, use Ferdinand of Spain or Pinochet of Chile. Using Hitler as an example of right-wing authoritarianism only demonstrates your lack of education.
Had this whole argument already on the History board months and months ago. As Brattpowered has pointed out the NAME you call yourselves has NOTHING to do with how you operate. The NAZI's were extreme Right-Wing on the traditional Right/Left political spectrum - no matter what they called themselves.
Ken
PS - And I am educated, by the way, with a bachelor's in History (with special emphasis on WW II) and another in Computing (the field in which I work). Also spent nearly half my childhood living in Germany, my dad was raised there (during the war) and I had a great uncle who was a very high-ranking General in the Wehrmacht during WW II so I have a strong personal connection with Germany during the war years - and a pretty good grasp of just who and what the NAZI's were.
Note that I am NOT arguing that the NAZI's and the Communists don't belong together - that's why I mentioned the alternate political model of Authoritarian's on one side and Anarchists on the other. I'm merely pointing out that the in the traditional Right/Left model Communists and NAZI's are on the opposite ends of each other. In truth, this traditional Right/Left model in insufficient - hence the 2 dimensional model shown here:
Had this whole argument already on the History board months and months ago. As Brattpowered has pointed out the NAME you call yourselves has NOTHING to do with how you operate. The NAZI's were extreme Right-Wing on the traditional Right/Left political spectrum - no matter what they called themselves.
While that may be true in some cases, it was definitely not true with the NAZIs. Their entire economy during the 1930s was based on socialist work camps, with cradle-to-grave government involvement, the banning of firearms, and the social engineering of their society. You can't get any further left-wing than NAZI Germany.
I am not confused. I know exactly what kind of government (very little regulation of individual affairs) and economy (steeply progressive taxes resulting in the people that own the economy paying for the maintenance) I desire.
I believe in free markets and see the need of powerful government regulation to make certain that no individual or corporation develops the ability to manipulate the market. I believe that the government representing all of us should own the natural monopolies in energy and transportation among others. I believe in public education for as long as necessary to educate a person to achieve the best they can with their talent.
I am absolutely opposed to any government that tries to force a religion (including Mammon’s), sexual preference, military service, “right to life”, or gun control on me or anyone else. In essence, what I believe, what I do in bed, weather I carry a gun for you, weather a woman wants to abort a fetus, or how or what I use to defend myself from assault are private business and none of yours. How I conduct business and how much I pay for government protection of commerce is all of our business. How much I pay for that protection depends on how profitable (how much of my property is actually defended) my business becomes.
Glitch - the Nazi’s were an unholy allegiance of the right wing military and the righter wing business and industrialists that ruled the Third Reich. They used slave labor when they wanted to cut costs. They banned labor unions to keep wages and political activities down. They denied birth control so they could have more “Aryans” for their army of conquest. The Nazi’s were exactly what the extreme right wing manipulators running this country dream of becoming. One Country, One God, One Leader – all hail.
While that may be true in some cases, it was definitely not true with the NAZIs. Their entire economy during the 1930s was based on socialist work camps, with cradle-to-grave government involvement, the banning of firearms, and the social engineering of their society. You can't get any further left-wing than NAZI Germany.
Definition of Socialism (Merriam-Webster dictionary):
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
The NAZI's did NOT own the means of production. Factories and other private property continued to be privately owned.
You are confusing Authoritarianism with Socialism. Authoritarianism can be either on the Left (Communism) or the Right (Fascism (ie the NAZI's)).
Work Camps have NOTHING to do with whether you are Socialist or not
Banning of Firearms has NOTHING to do with whether you are Socialist or not
ANY totalitarian government (either Right or Left) can do the things you mention.
Socialism has to do with OWNING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
The NAZI's did not generally do that.
Porche continued to operate as a private company, so did Krupp, so did Messerschmitt and all the other major manufacturers in Germany.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 07-30-2008 at 11:17 AM..
Glitch - the Nazi’s were an unholy allegiance of the right wing military and the righter wing business and industrialists that ruled the Third Reich. They used slave labor when they wanted to cut costs. They banned labor unions to keep wages and political activities down. They denied birth control so they could have more “Aryans” for their army of conquest. The Nazi’s were exactly what the extreme right wing manipulators running this country dream of becoming. One Country, One God, One Leader – all hail.
I hear they even recruited children to spy on their parents....
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