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Old 09-11-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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This is truly not a political question - it is a question of being rational. The fact that Bin Laden is still alive 7 years after the 9/11 attacks truly bothers me. We might have lost focus on him, we might have missed opportunities to get him, he might be 'ungettable', I don't know, but it really ticks me off that he is still alive.

Is this rational?
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:39 PM
 
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This is truly not a political question - it is a question of being rational. The fact that Bin Laden is still alive 7 years after the 9/11 attacks truly bothers me. We might have lost focus on him, we might have missed opportunities to get him, he might be 'ungettable', I don't know, but it really ticks me off that he is still alive.

Is this rational?
Heck yes it's rational, esp. since I think the administration lost its focus. It's much easier to fight a "war" than it is to go on a manhunt in the caves and mountains of Afghanistan. I could be wrong, but regardless, it's perfectly rational to be ticked off that he's still out there.
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Homestead Florida
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I doubt that he's still alive.
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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I doubt that he's still alive.
Yeah, who even said he is still alive?

oh yeah, I remember -- the CIA (I mean AQ -- yeah that is it the AQ) videos and tapes.

Oh well, maybe the body will be found JUST in time for the election.
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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I don't know if he is or not; my concern is that if he is alive, he is being "held in check", as it appears to be. And do you think that if he IS dead, that his cohorts are going to declare the same, not use and abuse his recorded youtubies for their use, their terror, their propaganda? Kinda hard to lead an organization when one is a dead martyr, eh?

As far as the US "losing focus," well, I suppose that could be true. I've not been to Afghanistan, but I have read the region of Tora Bora is truly inhospitable to man and beast alike. Thousands of caves and little hideaways, places of refuge for someone on the run. Granted, the US nullified the taliban in short order when first in-country, but then Bush decided to nullify Hussein as well, and there you have it. This is not to say there has not been an ongoing search for OBL, alive or dead, but yes, it was scaled back. Too bad Slick decided his head wasn't worth the effort, that it was a police action, that he wouldn't take the Saudis or Syrians or whoever it was offer for his hide way back when, then possibly the events of 9/11 may not have even happened. Of course, Zawahiri is another force to be reckoned with.

Miami Vice may well have a point in his belief. What's the bounty for OBL's head now, $50M? However, for some poor soul to lay a dime on OBL's whereabouts would mean certain and swift death for the poor soul, don't you think? Some folks value their lives more than money, you know?

But that's my input on this matter, take it or leave it, I'll stand by what I wrote.
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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Yes, it bothers me that we still don't know where the heck Bin Laden is, or whether he's dead or alive. At this point, I don't think it matters as much as before whether he's still alive or not. 9/11 has attracted thousands of twisted muslims who share Bin Laden's extreme view of Islam, young people who have nothing to live for in their current lives but the rewards of Jihad. These people can be anywhere, all across Europe, inside the US, Asia, Africa, anywhere, like shadows ready to kill. The problem is, how do you fight shadows?
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:53 PM
 
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I do think if we could have found and killed him fairly soon after the attack that it would have sent a much stronger message to the rest of the world than if we find him years later. To me the side benefit of showing the rest of the world that they better not mess with us by tracking him down and killing him decreases everyday that he is at large. My concern is at this point the extremists could view this as a success simply because he has evaded us for 7 years.

The speculation of whether he is still alive at this point doesn't make me feel any better.
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:56 PM
 
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I do think if we could have found and killed him fairly soon after the attack that it would have sent a much stronger message to the rest of the world than if we find him years later.

The speculation of whether he is still alive at this point doesn't make me feel any better.
This is how I feel as well. It has always bothered me that Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq instead of focusing on capturing the person behind the 9/11 attacks.
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:34 PM
 
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I do think if we could have found and killed him fairly soon after the attack that it would have sent a much stronger message to the rest of the world than if we find him years later. To me the side benefit of showing the rest of the world that they better not mess with us by tracking him down and killing him decreases everyday that he is at large. My concern is at this point the extremists could view this as a success simply because he has evaded us for 7 years.

The speculation of whether he is still alive at this point doesn't make me feel any better.

Sure, but if BushCorp acknowledged Bin Laden was dead before the Iraq Invasion, that would have ruined the pre-text (War on Terror, Inc., BS) for invading Iraq.

Can't wreck a great game by winning to quickly, yunno.

The British passed on killing Hitler early in WW2 because it would have been over too soon, as well.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:55 PM
 
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if we put as many resources into afganistan as we did in iraq i think we would know for sure obl was dead.. but america has never won a war against an insurgency,korea and vietnam are good examples.and the russians poured huge resources into afganistan and still got run out fairly quickly........The general who is skilled in defense hides in the most secret recesses of the earth; he who is skilled in attack flashes forth from the topmost heights of heaven. Thus on the one hand we have ability to protect ourselves; on the other, a victory that is complete.....Sun Tzu...the art of war...
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