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Old 05-02-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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A good read on our not too distant history:



Remember the old saying about those that don't learn from the past being condemned to repeat it? It didn't really upset me that this guy choose this book for his Oath taking, but how ironic, I think, & how appropriate Mr Ellison! I wonder if he knew, the rest of the story???

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad

By Ted Sampley, U.S. Veteran Dispatch January 2007, Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew
more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House.
Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas
Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's
founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the
Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived
in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in
college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that
"a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from
many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom
could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned
the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he
was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of
Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once
well-known in the e history of the United States, but, which today, is
mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries
enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian
Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and
Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The
taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had
a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as
many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the
preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual
interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives
at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create
eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle
East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African
slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was
estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the
mutilation survived after the surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American
merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for
protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews
enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of
Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by
the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate
treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special
commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin
Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean,
the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by
agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American
ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get
American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was
opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute
and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a
league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams,
then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji
Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote
to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's
ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation
with which they had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had
answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it
was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have
acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and
duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make
slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman
(Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims
millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return
of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20
percent of Unit ed States government annual revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the
Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not
one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American
Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into
Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all
American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore
raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and
piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn,
with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we
will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total
defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been
right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the
Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a
"visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own
Muslim book of jihad.

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Old 05-02-2008, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Thanks for the bit of history
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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1) Iraq has nothing to do with the Jefferson war.

2) Quran is Muslims holy book. Not a book of 'jihad'. That is like saying that bible is our 'book of crusade'. Not sure, if true but we learn in our IR class that---- quran to muslims is like jesus to christain and bible to christains is like mohmmad to muslims. Just a fun fact.

3) Yes, we should learn from our mistakes. Not invade countries that we don't understand and not attack those that have done nothing to harm us. Like vietnam. Remember?

4) American sailors were imprisoned and american ships stolen by not only barbery pirates but by French and British during the same period. Whats the point?


5) Book---------------Skeletons on the Zahara: A True Story of Survival
by Dean King
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:29 PM
 
Location: FL/TX Coasts
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Sonrise,
what is your point in all that?
If muslims are so bad, what do you make of those "sleeping" with them...and you know what I mean by "sleeping"
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Very interesting story, glad to have learned a little history today.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:28 PM
 
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muslims owned american slaves(whites)? when??!!! lol

but yet there were and still african slaves in america during this period....
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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On another note----The Republicans are NOT racists.
The Republicans are the ones that ENDED SLAVERY. It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's. Go ahead and research this. Please!!!
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:38 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Muslims owned slaves.....and all those white men back in the day? What were they?
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:38 PM
 
Location: New Hampsha
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jews had black slaves. whats your point?
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Old 10-18-2008, 02:02 PM
 
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jews had black slaves. whats your point?
what do you mean by jews? its not an ethnic group and for sure wasnt then its in relevance to religion

which jews(arab semitic, european jews?? what what?) had black(more info, what kind of blacks) slaves
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