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Seriously though, even Jewish families have a few Christmas traditions of our own... aside from the usual Chinese food and movie, LOL. My parents used to put out cookies & milk on the fireplace on Christmas Eve, and "Santa" would leave a box of chocolates (usually Snow-caps) in return. We also had a tradition of volunteering on Christmas - serving food at our local soup kitchen, wrapping gifts at the mall, and shopping for children's toy drives. Despite what you all might think, most Jewish people have no desire to kill Christmas... now I could do without the corny music, but that's another story.
Gizmo, I know most Jewish people have no disire to kill Christmas. Some of them even wrote some nice Christmas songs like White Christmas, The Christmas Song(Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire), and Have a Holly Jolly Christmas. So I guess I should lays some Poinsettia petals at your feet and say THANK YOU!:-)
Christians in America have had it tough. Now the biggest, most commercially promoted holiday on the calendar is suddenly endangered, according to some not-so-reliable sources.
How many of you out there really think that Christmas is going the way of the dinosaurs?
Is the guy in the picture BILL O'REILLY???? Sure looks like him...
I can only hope Christmas goes off into the sunset with the dinosaurs but it won't no matter how SOME whine and cry and play victim....or try to shove it down everyone elses throat.
Of course, if it did disappear so would family fights, suicides, incredibly stupid parties at work, gross over-spending, stress, greed-crazed children, all over a certain date on the calender....I'm sure many would miss it!
I truly do not understand this idea of a 'war on Christmas.' As far as I can tell, Christmas will still be celebrated in every Christian church in America this year as it has been for many years prior.
Does someone else know something different?
And, what do fireworks have to do with Christmas anyway?
Give it up people, there is NO war on Christmas, nor on Christians. It's just fear mongering by the wingnuts like Dobson to gin up ever more donations to his evil empire. O'Reilly pumps it up so he can sell books and make more money too. It's a business for these people to sell fear and keep gullible people paying up to 'fight' back. They all LIE.
Read this, it will help you get a grip on reality: firstamendmentcenter.org: commentary (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=17924 - broken link)
Key excerpts in this editorial from Dec 2006 are:
- This (2006) was the year that the “war on Christmas” was ratcheted up to become the “war on Christians” — most notably at a conference in March organized by some evangelical groups. Speaker after speaker expressed outrage at the widespread “persecution” of Christians in America.
- Christians in America never had it so good. Where else on Earth do Christians have more freedom to evangelize, organize, publish and worship – all without government interference?
- What really bothers some American evangelicals is not the lack of freedom — it’s the loss of monopoly. Many of the conflicts in the so-called “war on Christians” appear to be about restoring the “good old days” when Protestant Christianity was semi-established as the national religion.
- But pushing for a Christian Nation will not advance Christianity — it will kill it. From China to Turkey to Europe, state involvement in religion is the root of persecution, dissension and division.
Give it up people, there is NO war on Christmas, nor on Christians. It's just fear mongering by the wingnuts like Dobson to gin up ever more donations to his evil empire. O'Reilly pumps it up so he can sell books and make more money too. It's a business for these people to sell fear and keep gullible people paying up to 'fight' back. They all LIE.
Read this, it will help you get a grip on reality: firstamendmentcenter.org: commentary (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=17924 - broken link)
Key excerpts in this editorial from Dec 2006 are:
- This (2006) was the year that the “war on Christmas” was ratcheted up to become the “war on Christians” — most notably at a conference in March organized by some evangelical groups. Speaker after speaker expressed outrage at the widespread “persecution” of Christians in America.
- Christians in America never had it so good. Where else on Earth do Christians have more freedom to evangelize, organize, publish and worship – all without government interference?
- What really bothers some American evangelicals is not the lack of freedom — it’s the loss of monopoly. Many of the conflicts in the so-called “war on Christians” appear to be about restoring the “good old days” when Protestant Christianity was semi-established as the national religion.
- But pushing for a Christian Nation will not advance Christianity — it will kill it. From China to Turkey to Europe, state involvement in religion is the root of persecution, dissension and division.
Great post! Especially:
""" What really bothers some American evangelicals is not the lack of freedom — it’s the loss of monopoly. Many of the conflicts in the so-called “war on Christians” appear to be about restoring the “good old days” when Protestant Christianity was semi-established as the national religion.
- But pushing for a Christian Nation will not advance Christianity — it will kill it. From China to Turkey to Europe, state involvement in religion is the root of persecution, dissension and division.""
- What really bothers some American evangelicals is not the lack of freedom — it’s the loss of monopoly. Many of the conflicts in the so-called “war on Christians” appear to be about restoring the “good old days” when Protestant Christianity was semi-established as the national religion.
No, that's wrong. By definition Christians have a monopoly on Christmas, as Jews have a monopoly on Passover. Duh!
Christmas is a Christian holiday, and only a Christian holiday. The concern is over the attempts to dilute it, compete with it, and EFFACE it. The question is why can't people let Christians have their holiday in peace?
Happy Holidays!!
We've been through this before. If Hannukah was in October it wouldn't be famous. Jews have elevated it to compete with Christmas, presumably since it bugs them that Christians celebrate their holiday. You see more of this hate ideology with the preposterous creation of the cultural Marxist racial holiday of Kwanzaa (again, only created to compete with, dilute, and efface the Christians' holiday).
Lately, we've heard more and more about the Muslim holiday of "Eid". Thus far the Muslims have been the most respectful of Christmas and not trying to efface it. But reports from England are coming in that "Eid" too is now being used as the front for Christmas-hate and dilution.
On TV last night, the local ABC affiliate said: "Happy Holidays and Feliz Navidad".
Now that is really something. We now see the true pecking order: promotion of multi-culturalism trumps anti-Christianity!!
Since the Merry Christmas in the form of "Feliz Navidad" pandered to a Latino minority, you won't hear any complaints from anti-White racists, Christian bashers, Leftist Atheists, and Jews. This is similar to when European-White American express their cultural identity with Christianity and Christmas -- it's deemed "religious" and offensive, yet Latino expressions of Christianity (like pubic murals, Feliz Navidad, Madonnas, etc.) are deemed "cultural expression".
Whites who don't believe in the supernatural or a Deity, ought to at least consider being less hostile towards Christmas because it's moreso an expression of White-American culture than anything else. So why are White Atheists so hostile to something that has cultural roots in the West for 2,000 years? Bizarre.
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Can you tell me where in the Bible Jesus commands us to celebrate his birth?
He doesn't. We made up Christmas for ourselves and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with being a Christian or following Christ's teachings, and basically we piggy backed the season from traditions that already existed before "Christmas" came along.
A season filled with gluttony and buying a bunch of stuff for people who already have a bunch of stuff does not sound much like a "Christian" holiday to me at all.
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