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Old 01-05-2009, 08:44 AM
 
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Why should homosexuals get more rights than heterosexuals? I have not heard of "gay" people being "separate, but equal" nor have I seen restrooms or water fountains marked "straight only." I have never heard of a gay person on the basis of sexual orientation being declared to be less than human, or denied the vote. Everyone in America can marry, so why should homosexuals feel entitled to special rights?
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Obama prefers the traditional nuclear 2 parent family for himself. He also prefers private elite schools over public schools for his children. Obama eschews multi-racialism for his own children who are being brought up 100% African-American.

Archaic? In forty years people like Barack and Michelle Obama and all other elites, Liberal and Conservative, will still choose these things first. Most all people in America choose to raise families the archaic way Obama does, and would if they could.
Just like more people would choose to make interracial marriage illegal, and more people would choose to keep race segregated back then.

Just because more people would choose it doesn't make it right.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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has nothing to do with being latino.. has to do with being bilingual...
go learn spanish...
Many people in europe almost HAVE to be bilingual in most business settings...
somehow in america.. there is a misconception about learning another language...like somehow you shouldn't HAVE to...
People speak other languages.. the market dictates what skills are needed..if it's being bilingual.. then so be it... Any latino getting the job over you.. certainly speaks english as well...so not only do they speak spanish.. but they speak english... so.. when it comes to skills.. they got you beat...
So it's OK in your book to require someone to know two or more languages to work in their home country? B.S.

If you feel that way then just maybe it's OK that some employer require that you be straight to work for them.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Teaching about it in class

Taking school kids to a gay wedding

Wearing rainbow stuff


I believe teachers should be homo-neutral

I believe in separation of gay and state. LOL
Well as far as taking the kids to a gay wedding, you do realize the PARENTS of those kids wanted to take their kids to the wedding of their lesbian teacher? Kids were not required to go.

Teachers are people too and if they happen to mention their spouse, girlfriend/boyfriend, I don't think it will have any bearing on the kid's sexuality if their female teacher mentions they have a girlfriend.

Separation of gay and state? Hmmm....so I guess we should get rid of all the gay people who have some sort of civil service job? Teachers? Professors? City Council members? Senators? Governor's? Mayors? etc,etc?
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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Default What a gamut!

My, how this topic digressed!

From a question of rights to discussion ofmarriage, race, religion, and parentage!

Back on topic, I don't see how sexuality limits one's rights. There is no right to get married. That's a priveledge. And truly, marriage is nothing more than a civil union performed in a church. The 'marriage' part (ceremony, etc.) were devised by the church to formalize the union typically devised by two families.

But marriage is not a right given in the US Constitution. In fact, I don't see anything here that would limit your 'rights' due to sexuality.

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Old 01-05-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: THE USA
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It is sacred and should be kept that way, it doesn't need to be tainted by homosexuality, it is bad enough that divorce has become the norm in this country.
Yeah and Britneys Spears 2 day marriage was sacred, and Elizabeth Taylors 9 marraiges were ALL SACRED.

Marriage is what YOU make of it.

If you go into it as a joke than that is ALL IT AMOUNTS To.

If you take it seriously than it can be a sacred thing.

Gay people CAN HAVE SACRED MARRIAGES.

IT just depends.
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:23 PM
 
Location: California
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Let's blame all the homosexuals woes on the conservative Christians.
Sounds good to me, seeing as how they represent the lion's share of the problem.

(Kidding. Sort of. Half-kidding, I guess. At best.)
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Separation of gay and state? Hmmm....so I guess we should get rid of all the gay people who have some sort of civil service job? Teachers? Professors? City Council members? Senators? Governor's? Mayors? etc,etc?
You said it, not me. I know you are being sarcastic but it might not be a bad thing you know. I mean to be fair about it though. IMO workplaces are not the place for any display of a sexual preference, not even the traditional cross-sex attractions. I have seen too many male colleagues lose their livelihoods after being ensnared by the wiles of female workers whose only goal was to get them into compromising situations which they then reported to senior management in order to receive cash awards, non-duty status, advancement, etc. Do you really think that 90% of the male population is so oversexed that they would risk high paying supervisory positions to paw at semi-attractive colleagues when they have trophy wives waiting for them at home done up in Frederick's of Hollywood couture? You are probably saying "yes, of course, men are pigs". Maybe, but they aren't all stupid. Some of the sexual harrassment suits that have been settled recently make you want to believe that career suicide is rampant in the male population.

Of course gay people should be civil servants but do their colleagues have to know that they are gay? Do mine have to know that I am straight?
Those cultures that make a strict separation of the sexes and the minimization of sexual dimorphics are onto something. But the pesky issue of how to keep lust out of the single sex locker rooms at Bally's is still an open question. Thoughts anyone?

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Old 01-05-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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Why should homosexuals get more rights than heterosexuals? I have not heard of "gay" people being "separate, but equal" nor have I seen restrooms or water fountains marked "straight only." I have never heard of a gay person on the basis of sexual orientation being declared to be less than human, or denied the vote. Everyone in America can marry, so why should homosexuals feel entitled to special rights?
What are the special rights about which you speak?
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:53 PM
 
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You said it, not me. I know you are being sarcastic but it might not be a bad thing you know. I mean to be fair about it though. IMO workplaces are not the place for any display of a sexual preference, not even the traditional cross-sex attractions. I have seen too many male colleagues lose their livelihoods after being ensnared by the wiles of female workers whose only goal was to get them into compromising situations which they then reported to senior management in order to receive cash awards, non-duty status, advancement, etc. Do you really think that 90% of the male population is so oversexed that they would risk high paying supervisory positions to paw at semi-attractive colleagues when they have trophy wives waiting for them at home done up in Frederick's of Hollywood couture? You are probably saying "yes, of course, men are pigs". Maybe, but they aren't all stupid. Some of the sexual harrassment suits that have been settled recently make you want to believe that career suicide is rampant in the male population.

Of course gay people should be civil servants but do their colleagues have to know that they are gay? Do mine have to know that I am straight?
Those cultures that make a strict separation of the sexes and the minimization of sexual dimorphics are onto something. But the pesky issue of how to keep lust out of the single sex locker rooms at Bally's is still an open question. Thoughts anyone?

H
Well, most likely, your colleagues would know you are straight, if you happen to mention a wife, husband, or child, boyfriend or girlfriend, and nobody thinks anything of it. I work with a lot of straight people who let it be known that they are married or living with someone. I don't think that's going to change. They even mention that they have children, and we know that most likely, they had sex with their spouse or significant other in order to do that, unless they mention adoption.

On the other hand, if a gay person mentions the same thing, suddenly, it's wrong - a big deal - "being too open", etc. What's the difference?
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