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Old 01-08-2009, 09:41 AM
 
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They dropped leaflets over Lebanon to warn civilians too. Anyone see Hamas or Hezbola do something like that?
Ohh..Gee....how noble of the Israelis... "Get the hell out of your homes coz we are gonna blow them all up to kingdom come!"

Ahh...speaking of blowing up homes...pray tell are the Israelis the only regime who does that? Blow up the homes of 'suspects'? And the pro-Israel lobby here gets all riled up when people compare this regime to that of a previous ww2 era.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Ohh..Gee....how noble of the Israelis... "Get the hell out of your homes coz we are gonna blow them all up to kingdom come!"

Ahh...speaking of blowing up homes...pray tell are the Israelis the only regime who does that? Blow up the homes of 'suspects'? And the pro-Israel lobby here gets all riled up when people compare this regime to that of a previous ww2 era.
Y'all gonna change your charter?:

the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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You know about what you posted ='until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! - actually only 1 kind of tree will not reveal his hiding place - sorry cant remember what kind of tree, only knows its some kind of a pine tree. Anyway..I was in Jerusalem near Aqsa area...and the place is full of that particular pine tree! Really...the folks there told me the zionists are replacing the original trees there with these pine variety.. Hmm...maybe the zionist do not want to take chances huh..after all who knows...it could be true...only time will tell
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Thats a good suggestion.. I support that.. Hamas should replace its charter calling for the destruction of Isreal....just as Israel should replace its policy of racism and apartheid.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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Thats a good suggestion.. I support that.. Hamas should replace its charter calling for the destruction of Isreal....just as Israel should replace its policy of racism and apartheid.
Would be a step in the right direction.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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For the same reason that they will never accept peace with any other civilized modern nation that allows religious freedom or diverse religious opinions, or allow a Muslim Apostate to live. Islam cannot stand up to criticism or critical thought. They are commanded by Islam to destroy all non-Muslims including Muslim Apostates and those who refuse to be forcibly converted. Those who think Islam is just another harmless religion are dead wrong. The war against the West and it's religious freedom and diversity has just begun and will never end as long as Islam exists.


First, Allah says to fight Jews and Christians or People of the Book in Sura 9, the historical context of which has been discussed above ("What is the purpose or goal of jihad?"):

9:29 Fight [q-t-l] against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Hilali and Khan)

Martyrs are guaranteed a fast track to Islamic paradise. Their deaths are depicted in economic terms. If they expend their lives as a living currency, Allah will exchange them for heavenly Islamic gardens.

61:10 You who believe, shall I show you a bargain that will save you from painful punishment? 11 Have faith in God and His Messenger and struggle [j-h-d] for His cause with your possessions and your persons—that is better for you, if only you knew—12 and He will forgive your sins, admit you into Gardens graced with flowing streams, into pleasant dwellings in the Gardens of Eternity. That is the supreme triumph. (Haleem)

Muslims who struggle (j-h-d) in Allah’s cause will either win the battle and live to see another day, so that they can collect some spoils of war, or they will die and have their sins forgiven and be admitted into Islamic heaven.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAZR8YIhxI

Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity - Telegraph

Bible Prophecy - Ellis Skolfield

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/pdf/TFPChapters1-9.pdf

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_apos3.htm

Jihad: The truth about the rules of Islamic warfare

You've really got two threads going. One is something like "what is Islam?" Then there's the the part about why would Obama let Jihadists shape policy. Why would you assume he would do something like that? This isn't one of those chain-mail dealies is it, where he's Malcolm X's illegitimate son and his birth certificate is in an underground vault guarded by ex-KGB, is it?
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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If you look at the aspearations the radcial musloims want more than just to defeat israel;they want defeat western culture and even force their radical beliefs on all muslims.Few really believe that it has anyhting to do with religion on the leaderships part but a reach for power really.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:09 AM
 
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If you look at the aspearations the radcial musloims want more than just to defeat israel;they want defeat western culture and even force their radical beliefs on all muslims.Few really believe that it has anyhting to do with religion on the leaderships part but a reach for power really.
Yeah...but what could cause all these to happen? Perchance it was building up like a steamed pipe about to explode etc etc...
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:12 AM
 
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If you look at the aspearations the radcial musloims want more than just to defeat israel;they want defeat western culture and even force their radical beliefs on all muslims.Few really believe that it has anyhting to do with religion on the leaderships part but a reach for power really.

Sure there is a power lust, but I also believe the people who carry out Jihad against all non-Muslims are true believers. They support killing anyone who rejects their religion or converts to another religion. I don't know how you can describe anyone as a non-radical who would kill another person because they changed their religion.
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Hey momo, are you still unaware that Palestinians all oppose Israeli occupation and aggression whether they are Muslim, Christian or atheist? I'm pretty sure I've pointed it out a few (dozen) times. Have you not been able to wrap your brain around it yet, or do you just not want to let facts get in the way of a well-rehearsed rant?
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