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Old 02-08-2009, 07:46 PM
 
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Texas produces more tax revenue than New York. Texas is a red state. The fact that there is revenue going toward welfare in other states is the reason for the voting by some in red states for Dems. The workers are voting Rep. in those states. You might want to check your facts before spouting off political rhetoric
I don't think Texas was included in the statistics. You should look at the links again. I think you're trying to spin facts to suit your political worldview.

Facts are facts.
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Perhaps what you're alluding to here is the huge 'nose dive' we took back in the 60's. Along with some of the "good" liberation that happened then (civil rights; women's rights; a general 'loosening' of restrictions) there was also a vast "liberation" from shame, guilt, social stigma, and personal accountability. In just a few short years, we went from "what will the NEIGHBORS say ?" (regarding our behavior) to "who the hell CARES what the neighbors say ?"

During all this, America's 'social culture' took a HUGE turn for the coarse, the uncouth, and the vulgar. Movies, Books, and TV shows celebrated the "let it ALL HANG out" freedom from 'embarassment' we all experienced...and as as result, "white trash"...(and NON-white trash, as well) suddenly became, if not "respectable", at least good for a 'laugh'.
This post doesn't acknowledge the vast advancements the sixties brought to society to better fulfill the founding vision of the United States. The sixties brought in vast amounts of wisdom to provide opportunities for minorities, women, and to protect our environment. It went too far at times, but we're about to enter another era of that magnitude that redefines our fundamental understanding of reality.

Get on board of be left behind by an evolving society!
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Absolutely! My 90 year old Mother always corrects people when they say the Bushes are Texans. The Bush family is from Kennebunkport Maine. They are to Texas as Hillary Clinton is to New York.
George HW Bush was born in Milton, MA.
George W Bush was born in New Haven, CT and went to Phillips Andover Academy north of Boston.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Tom and Sailordave... being who you are makes you a victim? Perhaps we can displace jerry's kid telethons for your cause in light of your handicaps? <weg>
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:07 PM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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I don't think that America glorifies "white trash". When I think of white trash, it's some Maury or Jerry Springer guest that lives in a trailer. They are high school dropouts and frequently missing teeth. American values seems to me to mean middle class people, possibly tradespeople, grocery store clerks or office workers, that are devout Christian going to church every Sunday and living in small towns.
hey, hey, hey there now, I live in a trailer, and I have very high morals, so, you just watch it there.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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This post doesn't acknowledge the vast advancements the sixties brought to society to better fulfill the founding vision of the United States. The sixties brought in vast amounts of wisdom to provide opportunities for minorities, women, and to protect our environment. It went too far at times, but we're about to enter another era of that magnitude that redefines our fundamental understanding of reality.

Get on board of be left behind by an evolving society!
And it all came to a crashing halt on two summer nights in L.A. in August of 1969.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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This post doesn't acknowledge the vast advancements the sixties brought to society to better fulfill the founding vision of the United States. The sixties brought in vast amounts of wisdom to provide opportunities for minorities, women, and to protect our environment. It went too far at times, but we're about to enter another era of that magnitude that redefines our fundamental understanding of reality.

Get on board of be left behind by an evolving society!


Well I think ole Mac did acknowledge there were some good advances but those weren't what he was talking about so he glossed over them and properly so.

Personally I think in White society all the 60s did in the long run was bring about the odd notion that a middle-class drone who drives an Audi is different in some fundamental way from a middle-class drone who drives a Buick.

And the notion that a guy can wear jeans to work in an office as long as he wears a tie to let people know "Oh yes, I'm a white-collar worker, don't confuse my freewheeling ways with my being a prole, see, I'm wearing a tie!"

Oh yeah, it also helped turn beer from a simple workingman's drink to something that people are "into".

And don't forget that during the 60s divorce laws were liberalized so that men could more easily dump loyal but unwanted wifes and get themselves a "new cookie".

Yeah, those are great social advances. Swell.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:40 PM
 
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LOL highdesert. Higher morals than DC or wall street no doubt. Had she associated you with that riff raff, them would be fightin words for sure! hahahahaaa
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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It went too far at times, but we're about to enter another era of that magnitude that redefines our fundamental understanding of reality.

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No we're not.
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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Well I think ole Mac did acknowledge there were some good advances but those weren't what he was talking about so he glossed over them and properly so.

Personally I think in White society all the 60s did in the long run was bring about the odd notion that a middle-class drone who drives an Audi is different in some fundamental way from a middle-class drone who drives a Buick.

And the notion that a guy can wear jeans to work in an office as long as he wears a tie to let people know "Oh yes, I'm a white-collar worker, don't confuse my freewheeling ways with my being a prole, see, I'm wearing a tie!"

Oh yeah, it also helped turn beer from a simple workingman's drink to something that people are "into".

And don't forget that during the 60s divorce laws were liberalized so that men could more easily dump loyal but unwanted wifes and get themselves a "new cookie".

Yeah, those are great social advances. Swell.
Why bring John McCain into this??
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