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Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by Katiana
If I can be so bold as to try to interpret what the person who asked "what does it matter about the public schools". . .
I think what s/he meant was that
What bothers me about some of the homeschoolers, the ones who are anti-public school instead of pro homeschool, is that they say others should respect their choice, which I do, then they rail against the public schools as if every school in the country were deficient somehow. My kids did not get an inadequate education in the PS. My oldest just got her doctorate in physical therapy on Friday, and my youngest just graduated from college with a GPA of about 3.7 in Molecular, Cellular and Developmental biology. My kids had plenty of "experiential" type learning that the homeschoolers wax rhapsodic about, and think that their kids are the only ones getting this. My kids' schools were not "drug malls", nor gang-infested, or any of the other things that some homeschoolers seem to think ALL public schools are.
I know there are some good public schools out there and I'm glad your children received an excellent education. My comment was more for those who are calling for abolishing homeschooling because of ignorant stereotypes and who fail to address the real issues that parents have with the public school system.
I know there are some good public schools out there and I'm glad your children received an excellent education. My comment was more for those who are calling for abolishing homeschooling because of ignorant stereotypes and who fail to address the real issues that parents have with the public school system.
You have not produced an iota of credible evidence to show that homeschooling is superior to public schooling. The articles you linked to from the LA Times did not settle the issue. The schools featured were in LAUSD, which is one school district among hundreds around the country. LAUSD is hardly representative of the entire nation. And because of the demographic composition of LAUSD (impoverished kids from immigrant families), its performance cannot be compared meaningfully to affluent schools such as New Trier in Winnetka, or to affluent homeschoolers in Beverly Hills. As I said before, you have to compare apples to apples.
Show me a study comparing homeschooled impoverished kids of single moms from Compton to publicly schooled impoverished kids of single moms from the same city. Now that is a valid study worthy of scrutiny. With that, you have eliminated the effects of economic class and family dynamics from influencing the results, and you have ensured that you are truly comparing the efficacy of homeschooling relative to public schooling, minus the confounding variables.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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You have not produced an iota of credible evidence to show that homeschooling is superior to public schooling. The articles you linked to from the LA Times did not settle the issue. The schools featured were in LAUSD, which is one school district among hundreds around the country. LAUSD is hardly representative of the entire nation. And because of the demographic composition of LAUSD (impoverished kids from immigrant families), its performance cannot be compared meaningfully to affluent schools such as New Trier in Winnetka, or to affluent homeschoolers in Beverly Hills. As I said before, you have to compare apples to apples.
Show me a study comparing homeschooled impoverished kids of single moms from Compton to publicly schooled impoverished kids of single moms from the same city. Now that is a valid study worthy of scrutiny. With that, you have eliminated the effects of economic class and family dynamics from influencing the results, and you have ensured that you are truly comparing the efficacy of homeschooling relative to public schooling, minus the confounding variables.
I'm not the one who is calling for abolishing homeschooling, you are. You have not demonstrated a shred of evidence that shows that homeschooling is inferior to public schools. Those articles I posted was to demonstrate the type of nonsense that parents are sick and tired of putting up with in the taxpayer-funded public schools.
I know there are some good public schools out there and I'm glad your children received an excellent education. My comment was more for those who are calling for abolishing homeschooling because of ignorant stereotypes and who fail to address the real issues that parents have with the public school system.
I don't have any issues with your opinion on homeschooling, msconnie73.
I'm not the one who is calling for abolishing homeschooling, you are. You have not demonstrated a shred of evidence that shows that homeschooling is inferior to public schools. Those articles I posted was to demonstrate the type of nonsense that parents are sick and tired of putting up with in the taxpayer-funded public schools.
Show me where I said that homeschooling should be abolished. I'm waiting with bated breath.
What I said was, there is no evidence to support the claim that homeschooling is superior to public schooling. Since the assertion of superiority is made by the homeschoolers, then the burden of proof is on them. And they/you have failed to present such proof. All you have presented are anecdotal reports of this or that public school wracked with problems - without understanding that these problems are due to the demographic characteristics of the students and their families, and not due to the public school system itself.
What I said was, there is no evidence to support the claim that homeschooling is superior to public schooling.
The condition of some of our public schools, that include drugs and dangerous conditions - including students who bring drugs to school, teachers having illicit relationships with students, is a compelling reason why many parents are choosing to home school their kids.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Show me where I said that homeschooling should be abolished. I'm waiting with bated breath.
What I said was, there is no evidence to support the claim that homeschooling is superior to public schooling. Since the assertion of superiority is made by the homeschoolers, then the burden of proof is on them. And they/you have failed to present such proof. All you have presented are anecdotal reports of this or that public school wracked with problems - without understanding that these problems are due to the demographic characteristics of the students and their families, and not due to the public school system itself.
Maybe you haven't directly stated that it should be abolished but you have done nothing but bash homeschooling without any evidence to support your stereotypes. I am just calling you out on that.
The condition of some of our public schools, that include drugs and dangerous conditions - including students who bring drugs to school, teachers having illicit relationships with students, is a compelling reason why many parents are choosing to home school their kids.
The only reason that would happen is if you chose to live in an area that is economically depressed and socially unstable such that the students that feed into the local public schools are going to reflect that social pool from which they came. If you move to another city that is economically progressive, the public schools are going to be top notch.
The problem is not the public school - the problem is the environment in which the school is located. Even homeschoolers will not perform well if they live in a city that is practically a war zone. I doubt a single mom in crime infested Compton homeschooling her kid will get any better results. But then again, that's for the homeschoolers to prove....that's the kind of data that they have not been able to provide.
The only reason that would happen is if you chose to live in an area that is economically depressed and socially unstable such that the students that feed into the local public schools are going to reflect that social pool from which they came. If you move to another city that is economically progressive, the public schools are going to be top notch.
The problem is not the public school - the problem is the environment in which the school is located. Even home-schoolers will not perform well if they live in a city that is practically a war zone. I doubt a single mom in crime infested Compton homeschooling her kid will get any better results. But then again, that's for the home-schoolers to prove....that's the kind of data that they have not been able to provide.
The area is not "economically" depressed - but the problem with guns, drugs, sexual assaults etc transcend all economic and social borders. And moving, which you seem to assert is easy, is, for most, not a readily available option for most parents.
And again - it not necessarily a monetary issue -
The number of parents who are choosing to home school is increasing - and personally, and again having experience with it, I can agree with their decisions and encourage parents to explore this viable option.
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