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Old 05-10-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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How dumb.
Ah, the old I Can't Refute The Message So I'll Say Something Stupid Instead game.

Intelligent and enlightened rebuttal is not your forte.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: North America
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Less than 1% of our population is Muslim...I guess Obama must have flunked math in school....

Surprising how you didn't provide the complete quote IN CONTEXT, and how the anti-Obama crowd jumped right in and said "amen"

Well, on second thought, not very surprising at all. Intellectually dishonest, yes, surprising, no.

Let me make it easy for you:

"What I want to do is to create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples."
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Fairfax
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Some of the comments about Obama bowing are ridiculous-that doesn't bother me. But you can't deny his statement about the number of Muslim Americans making the US one of the largest Muslim countries completely false. It's still a very small amount so what am I missing here?
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:14 AM
 
Location: North America
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There are approximately 6 million American Muslims, according to the link below.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/historyusa4.htm (broken link)

I dunno, 6 million is a pretty significant number.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:20 PM
 
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There are approximately 6 million American Muslims, according to the link below.

Islam in the United States - Official State Department Fact Sheet (http://www.islamfortoday.com/historyusa4.htm - broken link)

I dunno, 6 million is a pretty significant number.
CONTEXT!!!!! 6 out of 300 is nothing.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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It's obvious that he was referring to the fact that we have somewhere between 3 to 7 million muslims living in the US. This is a prime example of why context is important.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:38 PM
 
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And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.


If you actually took the number means that you are looking at numbers not percentages and somewhat speaking hypothetically. He's simply saying there may not be a high percentage of Muslims in the U.S. but there are a large number of them. Its ridiculous how people on this forum try to twist everything. Many major cities in the U.S. have a significant Muslim population there's nothing more to what he said than that. Its like if I said "If you look at the muslim presence in Chicago, New York, Detroit they have some of the largest numbers of Muslims of any cities in the world" And if you want to get technical like a previous poster said 75% larger than most countries in the world would still be considered "one of the largest." One of the largest is a broad term its up to the speaker/writer or reader to determine what they mean by it.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.


If you actually took the number means that you are looking at numbers not percentages and somewhat speaking hypothetically. He's simply saying there may not be a high percentage of Muslims in the U.S. but there are a large number of them. Its ridiculous how people on this forum try to twist everything. Many major cities in the U.S. have a significant Muslim population there's nothing more to what he said than that. Its like if I said "If you look at the muslim presence in Chicago, New York, Detroit they have some of the largest numbers of Muslims of any cities in the world" And if you want to get technical like a previous poster said 75% larger than most countries in the world would still be considered "one of the largest." One of the largest is a broad term its up to the speaker/writer or reader to determine what they mean by it.
There may be a "large number" of Muslims in the country (somewhere between 2.4 and 6 million, by estimates) but we are well behind Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, and Yeman all having double and triple digit million Muslim populations. Compared to them we are not "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world". That the US has more Muslims than countless other, much smaller countries, does not put it into the same league as the countries listed above. We are a middling player in the "largest Muslim country" contest.

List of countries by Muslim population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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CONTEXT!!!!! 6 out of 300 is nothing.
300 million out of 7 billion is nothing. That doesn't make America any less significant in terms of being one of the most populous countries in the world. In India, Christians are only 3% of the Indian population, yet, in terms of number of people there are almost as many Christians (if not more) as the population of Canada.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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300 million out of 7 billion is nothing. That doesn't make America any less significant in terms of being one of the most populous countries in the world. In India, Christians are only 3% of the Indian population, yet, in terms of number of people there are almost as many Christians (if not more) as the population of Canada.
By extrapolation then, if one considers the actual numbers of Christians in India, it is one of the largest Christian countries in the world. Ummmmm....I'm not buying that any more than I buy the US being one of world's largest Muslim countries.
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