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Old 06-11-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's private sector, for profit, medicine.
And you think government healthcare will be any better ?

I've heard horror stories about HMO's myself and have always opted to pay the additional for healthcare where I can CHOOSE my doctor and hospital.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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And you think government healthcare will be any better ?

I've heard horror stories about HMO's myself and have always opted to pay the additional for healthcare where I can CHOOSE my doctor and hospital.
But HMO's are private for profit enterprises. The opposite of a government run system, which I know will be better.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The opposite of a government run system, which I know will be better.
And you know this because they are so good at managing Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare?

Do you even have a clue how divorced from reality your statement is?
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:12 PM
 
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I have health coverage(BCBS) paid by my employer. $100 deductible a year. I'm still want public option. If it can save my employer a few thousand,they pay $13,500 now,I'm for it. I believe Universal coverage which all employer pay into will help give us a chance to start producing goods in the United States again. They claim it's why companies is moving abroad because of health-care. Hopefully it will give a chance to compete and bring manufacturing back home.

I have insurance and I still can't go to any hospital with out permission. I have insurance and have to stay with in network. My wife had a hysterectomy took them 3 months to get her in for surgery.All the talk of government choice doctors or hospital isn't any thing different than now.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Agreed..

Health care for U.S. citizens should be a right, not a privilege that "only the privileged few" should afford.. We have over 45 million uninsured people here in the U.S... many of them are working families..
45 million at one time, which means some are between jobs or coverage.

And for your "privileged few" There are over 300 million people in this country, so 255 million people give or take a few hundred thousand people are privileged few?

As I have said many times in these. It is easy for the healthy to want to choose a government program in which they will use very little with the exceptions of routine checkups. But for people like me, who has to use our health care system extensively due to being one of the lucky people (sarcasm) to be afflicted with Multiple Sclerosis, and cannot afford to be placed on a waiting list to see my specialist. Socialized government run health care scars the bat snot out of me. I have literally 24 hours after an attack starts to get in to see my Neurologist (which is a specialist that in Canada and England has a very long wait time to see) to get in, checked and on an IV steroid treatment, or I risk PERMANENT DISABILITY. I am sorry, that is NOT the governments job. Right now I have good insurance through my wifes employer, it does cost some money, but I am given the choice of which Neurologist I see, I am given the choice of which expensive treatments I decide to use, and I can get in to see my Neurologist (specialist) as little as 1 hour if the need is there. Finances are also tight due to this damn disease and trying to keep myself employed and raise my daughter. I do not need taxes to go up, which could very well force me onto the street.

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Old 06-11-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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And you know this because they are so good at managing Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare?

Do you even have a clue how divorced from reality your statement is?
Yes, Social Security, which was solvent until Reagan raided it to cover his deficits (see: "The Fraud of Alan Greenspan" by Batra.) and Medicaid, Medicare- where increases in price are about 1/3 of what they are in our failed private system, are examples in how to provide services to the public.


And because the US system is the worst (in terms of public satisfaction among the population) than any other system in the industrialized world.

And my view is the correct one because it conforms to the reality, not to some view based on media lies and a lack of understanding/research on the subject.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Yep, they're just going full speed ahead pretending like we can afford another trillion dollars in debt.

We know if the government estimates the cost at $1 trillion, it will most likely be double that.
Again, where were you during the eight years of spending like a drunken sailor? Where was your outrage then? Government grew, and doubled the national debt during that time, how many posts do you have on it?

Also, what are your throughts on Bush overseeing the largest expansion of Medicaide/Care (Boo! Socialism) during his time as POTUS? Was this ok to you?

How about Bush's Billion dollar bail out of Wall Street as well (Socialized banking)???

You seem to want to have it both ways. It's either all or nothing, you can't be indigent about it when it's Obama (just endless diatribes about the evil "Socialist") yet ignore the reality of the Bush Administration .
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Again, where were you during the eight years of spending like a drunken sailor? Where was your outrage then? Government grew, and doubled the national debt during that time, how many posts do you have on it?

Also, what are your throughts on Bush overseeing the largest expansion of Medicaide/Care (Boo! Socialism) during his time as POTUS? Was this ok to you?

How about Bush's Billion dollar bail out of Wall Street as well (Socialized banking)???

You seem to want to have it both ways. It's either all or nothing, you can't be indigent about it when it's Obama (just endless diatribes about the evil "Socialist") yet ignore the reality of the Bush Administration .

I dont know why people think since Bush did it, that it is OK for Obama to do it as well.

THEY BOTH DID IT, AND IT PISSED ME OFF EQUALLY. Hell, I am still pissed at several of our previous presidents (both republican, and democrat) that did much to erode away at the foundation of our country.
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And because the US system is the worst (in terms of public satisfaction among the population) than any other system in the industrialized world.
Yeah, that's why people come to the US from around the world to receive the best medical care on the planet.

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And my view is the correct one because it conforms to the reality, not to some view based on media lies and a lack of understanding/research on the subject.
You must not realize through all your "research and understanding" exactly how corrupt, wasteful and inefficient Medicare and Medicaid is. And you think government will be able to run UHC as well as these examples? God help us.

The democratic congress raided SS surplus - for years, decades.
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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I dont know why people think since Bush did it, that it is OK for Obama to do it as well.

THEY BOTH DID IT, AND IT PISSED ME OFF EQUALLY. Hell, I am still pissed at several of our previous presidents (both republican, and democrat) that did much to erode away at the foundation of our country.
I'm not saying anything above one way or the other. Instead I am asking if they believe they are being hypocritical or not? You can't have it both ways.

That being said....

Government putting corporations on life support via tax money until they are able to pay back the capital is ok with me. In theory it would be an investment for the country as well as our federal government. It's either than or the entire house of cards comes down (see Lehman Brothers and it's aftermath.) Both choices suck, but which do you prefer? The GOP would play it either way; if Obama let these companies fail, they would hold HIM accountable for the second great Depression, and you better believe that. Obama has also stated again and again that he has no interest in running the day to day operations of these companies and the GOP knows this. Anything else coming from their end is disingenuous and meant to mislead, which frankly I find despicable given the severity of the situation our country is in.


The GOP played their dwindling base like a fiddle. They knew damn well that Obama would have to continue to prop up these entities just as Bush had. Once he took office and he was forced to use tax payer money to bail water out of the already sinking ship, they could say "See, we told you he was a Socialist."
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