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July 4th is practically sacred, so on this holiday, they can't come right out and call America a racist imperialist abomination without looking like total creeps.
Or can they? Yep. No problem, attack fireworks. That's a good proxy. It's the esthetics, you know. Scott Lemieux hates 'em. Freaking boring. And he gets a big rah rah from ... wait for it ... Matthew Yglesias! At least you can catch a good party! Their inspiration is Slate (where else), "Fireworks Suck: They Really Do."
I find that supposition false and inflammatory. They may not love the country the way some of us do but I don't think they hate America, just its governance, until lately.
The difference is in the CONTEXT. The liberal outlets will (and did) publish the tiny little part of the conversation where Rush said, "I want Obama to fail." They will follow that up with a conversation about how wanting the president to fail is obviously wanting the country to fail. Of course, this leads people to believe that Rush is hpong for a failure of America for his own personal gain. They will intentionally leave out and never even make reference to the entire context of the conversation, where Rush explains that he was asked to write a 400 word piece on what he feels about President Obamas ideas and plans, and how, since all Obamas ideas & plans appear to be leading to government ownership of business and government control of everything, that he sees Obamas taking the country in a very socialistic direction, which he feels is bad for America, he only needs four words; I hope he fails.
The conservative outlets will be sure that Rush's entire conversation is heard, and that quote is heard IN CONTEXT.
That's the difference it makes.
Holy cow, you're not saying the right wing blogs ('scuse me, "conservative outlets" ) dont take quotes out of context, are you?
Maybe you and roy are confusing reporting with blogging. That's like confusing reporting with editorializing.
roy mentions HuffPo, Daily Kos and the DNC. Daily Kos is all blogs. The DNC doesnt report on things like this, but they have blogs; I suppose some blogger or bloggers there had something to say on it. But, you know, they're blogs -- basically all opinion, like the posts here at C-D.
Huffington Post also features blogs, but it reports news too. Its mention of Rush's "I want Obama to fail" grab for attention directs the reader here -
and that quotes the whole paragraph you're talking about.
So.... 0 for 3?
A little o/t but P.S. When Rush went on Hannity's show to go on further about what he actually meant, even Faux's caption there says "Limbaugh: I dont hide from it. I still want Obama to fail".
I find that supposition false and inflammatory. They may not love the country the way some of us do but I don't think they hate America, just its governance, until lately.
why agree at all with the OP's link's specious hate-mongering? There's no implication anywhere that they dont love the country! If you disagree, please give quotes, because I dont see it.
Holy cow, you're not saying the right wing blogs ('scuse me, "conservative outlets" ) dont take quotes out of context, are you?
Maybe you and roy are confusing reporting with blogging. That's like confusing reporting with editorializing.
roy mentions HuffPo, Daily Kos and the DNC. Daily Kos is all blogs. The DNC doesnt report on things like this, but they have blogs; I suppose some blogger or bloggers there had something to say on it. But, you know, they're blogs -- basically all opinion, like the posts here at C-D.
Huffington Post also features blogs, but it reports news too. Its mention of Rush's "I want Obama to fail" grab for attention directs the reader here -
and that quotes the whole paragraph you're talking about.
So.... 0 for 3?
A little o/t but P.S. When Rush went on Hannity's show to go on further about what he actually meant, even Faux's caption there says "Limbaugh: I dont hide from it. I still want Obama to fail".
I'm not 0 for anything, nor did I confuse blogging & reporting. I answered the question, "What difference does it make who publishes a quote or a video?". I did not say that one was reporting and that the other was not. I specifically called them liberal and conservative outlets so as not to bother differentiating. And no, I'm not saying that conservative outlets don't engage in the same creative editing. Of course, that proves my point that the publisher of the quote or vide DOES in fact matter, doesn't it?
And OF COURSE Rush still wants Obama to fail, as do I, becasue Obama appears more intent than ever on turning us into a socialist nation. And it appears he has the agreement of the democrat congress. I hope they fail too.
why agree at all with this specious hate-mongering? There's no implication anywhere that they dont love the country! If you disagree, please give quotes, because I dont see it.
Sorry, delusianne. I didn't say they didn't love it. I said they might not love it that way others do. For instance, if you've not served in the military and haven't fought in battles you probably have a different love for the country than I do since I have.
If you weren't yelled and screamed at, didn't have things thrown at you from passing cars and weren't called a baby killer when you returned to U.S. soil your view of society is likely differernt from mine. Neither point of view means that we both can't love our country.
If you weren't raised by a career Marine Corps aviator and didn't spend your formative years on and near Naval and Marine bases, you probably have a different perspective and love of the country than I do.
Quotes? What quotes? But you're free to quote me if you wish.
Last edited by Curmudgeon; 07-05-2009 at 05:10 PM..
I'm not 0 for anything, nor did I confuse blogging & reporting. I answered the question, "What difference does it make who publishes a quote or a video?". I did not say that one was reporting and that the other was not. I specifically called them liberal and conservative outlets so as not to bother differentiating. And no, I'm not saying that conservative outlets don't engage in the same creative editing. Of course, that proves my point that the publisher of the quote or vide DOES in fact matter, doesn't it?
And OF COURSE Rush still wants Obama to fail, as do I, becasue Obama appears more intent than ever on turning us into a socialist nation. And it appears he has the agreement of the democrat congress. I hope they fail too.
Sorry about the rolleyes; I thought you were trying to cloak right wing blogs in some sort of hideous dignity and missed that you also said "liberal outlets."
Of course I didnt mean that a snippet of a quote, or a quote taken out of context, is acceptable.
We're agreed that a quote shouldnt be taken out of context or truncated. However, in your mini-rant --
The liberal outlets will (and did) publish the tiny little part of the conversation where[....]
-- you did NOT happen to mention the "conservative outlets" that do the same thing.
By "the liberal outlets," did you mean all of them? Some of them? Two of them? I replied as to context using roy's three "liberal outlets".
Sorry, delusianne. I didn't say they didn't love it. I said they might not love it that way others do. For instance, if you've not served in the military and haven't fought in battles you probably have a different love for the country than I do since I have.
If you weren't yelled and screamed at, didn't have things thrown at you from passing cars and weren't called a baby killer when you returned to U.S. soil your view of society is likely differernt from mine. Neither point of view means that we both can't love our counmtry.
If you weren't raised by a career Marine Corps aviator and didn't spend your formative years on and near Naval and Marine bases, you probably have a different perspective and love of the country than I do.
Quotes? What quotes? But you're free to quote me if you wish.
I was raised by a career Navy aviator and grew up on Navy and Marine bases here and in Asia during the Vietnam days just fyi, and I know a lot of people who fought in Vietnam.
"Quotes, what quotes" -- quote the sections of the pieces the OP links to that indicate that the writers dont -- excuse me, "may not" -- love their country. The sections that you feel back up the OP's thread title, "Leftwingers hate the U.S. even on the 4th - perhaps moreso".
I was raised by a career Navy aviator and grew up on Navy and Marine bases here and in Asia during the Vietnam days just fyi, and I know a lot of people who fought in Vietnam.
"Quotes, what quotes" -- quote the sections of the pieces the OP links to that indicate that the writers dont -- excuse me, "may not" -- love their country. The sections that you feel back up the OP's thread title, "Leftwingers hate the U.S. even on the 4th - perhaps moreso".
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long. I had some life to go about and was at a couple of stores.
Please reread what I originally wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
I find that supposition false and inflammatory. They may not love the country the way some of us do but I don't think they hate America, just its governance, until lately.
That was based on the inference voiced in the OP's post, specifically:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZGACK
From American Power Blog
July 4th is practically sacred, so on this holiday, they can't come right out and call America a racist imperialist abomination without looking like total creeps.
That infers that they'd like to call America something hateful.
Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long. I had some life to go about and was at a couple of stores.
Please reread what I originally wrote:
That was based on the inference voiced in the OP's post, specifically:
That infers that they'd like to call America something hateful.
Sorry you missed it!
In other words, you still didnt bother to check out the actual links for yourself, but you continue to opine about them anyway based on whatever the OP says.
I dont know, I wouldnt pull out my military career to back up something like that.
You Limbaugh haters need to stop using this the way you do. It's been discussed a thousand times, and it's very clear that he said he wants Obama to fail at what he is attempting. At taking over private business. At socializing health care. He wants Obama to fail so that America will not.
"I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.
If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails."
Here's Rush's speech. To me it is obivous that he doesn't like what Obama's proposed and he hopes the policies fail because he'd rather not be proven wrong and watch Americans suffer than to have Americans prosper and be proven wrong. You're free to interperate this however you want, but I'm convinced that Rush Limbaugh is a self-righteous ******* that cares more about his right-wing ideology than the American people. In other words, it's right-wing policies first, country second. this is unpatriotic! It's just like a Communist, such as Kim Jong for example, that cares more about turning the economy into a centrally planned one more than the well-being of his people.
Every American shold want public policies that create social justice. Some feel that right wing policies are the right path to take, some feel centrist policies are the right path to tak, some, like me, feel that left wing policies are the best to take, but these ideologies shouldn't be an end, they should be the means to an end with the end being a more just society. Then sometimes we support certain types of policies that we thought were right, and they turn out to have a negative effect; when this happens we have to re-evaluate our opinions instead of stubbornly clinging to our ideologies, which is what Rush Limbaugh is doing.
Now on to the other parts of my posting, the Michelle Bachmann comment.
YouTube - Rep. Michele Bachmann Supports Violent Opposition to Obama
As this video shows, Bachmann, like Limbaugh, is more concerned with making sure the Democrats don't enact left wing policies that work than she is concerned about the well-being of the American people. Even worse, she's enciting violence against the President of the United States.
You don't incite violence against the President of the United States because you disagree with a bill he's supporting. If someone from the left wing of the Democratic party, like Dennis Kuchinich or Maxine Waters, told people in their district to get armed and dangerous against the war in Iraq when Bush was president, you know damn well they'd be rounded up and thrown in jail in a second.
Last but not least, You lunatics have NO RIGHT to call me unpatriotic just becasue my views are at the left end of the political spectrum. There is absolutely nothing unpatriotic about left wing views. I'll try to level with you guys, although some of you right-wing nutcases ignorantly cling to your ideology so much that it's nearly impossible.
Patriotism doesn't mean chearleading for your country everytime the president starts a war. Patriotism doesn't mean that you think your country does everything better than everyone else. Patriotism doesn't mean you love your government.
Do I chearlead everytime the president starts a war? No, I think the last war that we should have fought was World War 2. Nothing against the soldiers that fought in every war since then, I just happed to think that the Presidents that started the wars made bad decisions. Do I think that my country does everything better than everyone else? No, I think we do most things better than most countries in the world but I do realized that some countries do some things better than us and I think that if we incorporate some of these ideas into our public policies, America will be a stronger and more prosperous country. Do I love my government? No, I think that alot of Administrations have done some horrible, horrible things and I don't really support what the government is doing now either; I have a mildly favorable opinion of Obama, a pretty unfavorable opinion of Democrats in Congress and a very, very unfavorable opinion of Republicans in Congress. Do I love my country? Yes, I love it and I want the best for it; therefore, I embrace the good and try to fix the bad.
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) dont take quotes out of context, are you?
