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Old 07-05-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You can whine about it all you want, the underlying data is from the CBO.

You fail to address any questions when it comes to obama's massive spending and what that will do to the debt and deficit. Do you deny the CBO figures?
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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You can whine about it all you want, the underlying data is from the CBO.

You fail to address any questions when it comes to obama's massive spending and what that will do to the debt and deficit. Do you deny the CBO figures?
That is exactly what I've been talking about - that CBO chart you like so much compares two different things.

First, it has Bush at 450 billion deficit.
- No wars, AMT trick, other budget tricks
- started TARP, not on budget
- Recession not listed on budget

Second, it has Obama at 1.85 trillion deficit.
- Added Wars, Transparency ($400 billion this year, $2.7 trillion over 10 years)
- TARP ($500 billion)
- Recession accounts for $303 billion

The Obama deficit consists of roughly $1.6 trillion signed into law and occurring (recession) before he was in office. That is as simple as I can make it.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Obama deficit consists of roughly $1.6 trillion signed into law and occurring (recession) before he was in office. That is as simple as I can make it.
That's pretty good spin, as usual, but misleading and inaccurate.

I'll put you out of your misery;

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/budproj.shtml (broken link)

Click on the first "Data" link. Take special note of CBO's Baseline estimates, CBO's Estimate of Presidents Budget, Difference between the two and really take a look at Total Deficit as a % of GDP (a whopper), and Debt help by public as a % of GDP.

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Old 07-05-2009, 07:44 PM
 
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Still you display no understanding of the topic.

There was no spin in what I wrote.

I've wasted my time clearly, again.

Look at the actual budget - its all in there.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Still you display no understanding of the topic.

There was no spin in what I wrote.

I've wasted my time clearly, again.
Still you deny what is in front of your face - the CBO numbers, straight from the CBO.

The numbers are staggering - do you deny that?

Giving up so soon, even though you haven't addressed the issue of what obama budget and stimulus will do to those numbers.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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Still you deny what is in front of your face - the CBO numbers, straight from the CBO.

The numbers are staggering - do you deny that?

Giving up so soon, even though you haven't addressed the issue of what obama budget and stimulus will do to those numbers.
Still you obsess about the Totals.
I don't fault you for that.

But you keep trying to assign those totals to Obama, when at minimum 85% of those totals were in place before Jan 20, 2009.

That is where you are wrong.
Its really simple.
I don't know what other way to say it to you.
Is english not your native language?
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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CBO's Baseline

2,524 2,186 2,334 2,783 3,086 3,281 3,436 3,610 3,761 3,927 4,083 4,247 14,921 34,550
2,983 3,853 3,473 3,476 3,417 3,581 3,746 3,892 4,088 4,239 4,408 4,671 17,693 38,991
____ _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ______ ______
-459 -1,667 -1,139 -693 -331 -300 -310 -282 -327 -312 -325 -423 -2,772 -4,441

CBO's Estimate of the President's Budget

2,524 2,186 2,263 2,593 2,933 3,111 3,248 3,405 3,541 3,690 3,830 3,974 14,147 32,587
2,983 4,010 3,695 3,567 3,566 3,757 3,974 4,168 4,415 4,618 4,829 5,137 18,559 41,726
____ ______ _____ ____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ ______ ______
-459 -1,825 -1,432 -974 -633 -647 -726 -763 -873 -927 -999 -1,163 -4,413 -9,139

Look at the difference between the CBO and obama's Rosy scenario numbers


2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2014 2019

Total Deficit as a
Percentage of GDP

CBO's baseline -3.2 -11.9 -7.9 -4.6 -2.1 -1.8 -1.8 -1.6 -1.8 -1.6 -1.6 -2.0 -3.5 -2.5
CBO's estimate of the
President's budget -3.2 -13.0 -9.9 -6.5 -4.0 -3.9 -4.2 -4.3 -4.7 -4.8 -4.9 -5.5 -5.6 -5.2

Debt Held by the Public
as a Percentage of GDP
CBO's baseline 40.8 54.8 60.1 62.0 61.6 60.7 60.2 59.5 59.0 58.5 56.1 56.1 n.a. n.a.
CBO's estimate of the
President's budget 40.8 56.7 64.9 68.6 70.2 71.3 73.0 74.9 77.1 79.3 78.7 81.7 n.a. n.a.

Kinda of skewed but you get the idea - DISASTER.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Obama--as well as virtually every other economist who's weighed in on the American economy--said, months ago, that things would get worse before they got better.

Nobody in their right mind expects Obama or Congress to reverse the economy in a mere few months. It took us years to get here. It will take years to recover.
Except maybe his own economic team which said we have to have a $700 billion stimulus or unemployment may hit a whopping 8%.

Obama confronts doubts on stimulus, vows faster spending - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-obama-stimulus9-2009jun09,0,5788007.story - broken link)
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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For some reason, people with no training in economics whatsoever feel perfectly justified in their "opinions" on the economy. Especially if it offers yet another chance to trash Obama.
I guess that includes his own economic team!
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:52 PM
 
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CBO's Baseline
Yes, I know you can copy and paste.
And you see the totals.
You've proven that you can tell one number is bigger than another number.
But that is all you've proven.

The majority of those totals again, were in place before Obama got in office.
This is what you refuse to understand.
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