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Old 08-16-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Coverage is not mandated for illegals in the bill. It simply says taht to PURCHASE insurance someone can not be discriminated against.. on Page 50 , btw.. that insurance companies that SELL insurance can not discrimate against and individual .

THAT MEANS.. an illegal can PURCHASE insurance and can't be denied the ability to purchase insurance based on his legal status..

You have a problem with illegals paying for their own insurance?

Or would you rather they hae NONE and end up in an ER where YOU foot the bill..
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I read what was posted on OpenCongress and there is a single sentence under the Public Option that says the Public Option is for legal citizens.

What I did think was odd is that this sentence is all by itself and under the Public Option section.
Why not put it in the general definition section at the top of the bill so the entire bill applies to only legal citizens ?
Keeping that sentence by itself makes it very easy to amend later on with some obsure language like "strike sentence x from section y subsection z" which I have seen in plenty of bills.

242.(a)(1)(b) in the bill
"(b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States.."
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Coverage is not mandated for illegals in the bill. It simply says taht to PURCHASE insurance someone can not be discriminated against.. on Page 50 , btw.. that insurance companies that SELL insurance can not discrimate against and individual .

THAT MEANS.. an illegal can PURCHASE insurance and can't be denied the ability to purchase insurance based on his legal status..

You have a problem with illegals paying for their own insurance?

Or would you rather they hae NONE and end up in an ER where YOU foot the bill..
lol..why would they pay when they can get it for free ?
Come on now....
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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I read what was posted on OpenCongress and there is a single sentence under the Public Option that says the Public Option is for legal citizens.

What I did think was odd is that this sentence is all by itself and under the Public Option section.
Why not put it in the general definition section at the top of the bill so the entire bill applies to only legal citizens ?
Keeping that sentence by itself makes it very easy to amend later on with some obsure language like "strike sentence x from section y subsection z" which I have seen in plenty of bills.

Happy Texan..

in the section that talks about purchasing insurance under the exchange it gives a general reference for not being discriminated against.. insurers can not discriminate based on anything when someone wants to purchase insurance.

So.. if some illegal citizen wants to actually do the responsible thing and have health insurance for himself... you want to deny him that ability.. teh ability to PAY so that if he goes to an ER and gets treated (which he would have to be seen in an ER) his treatment would actually be paid for??

If your talking about GIVING of something to someone.. that is different.. but denying htem the ability to GIVE you MONEY to purchase something and actually be responsible for their own is ..well ridiculous..
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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lol..why would they pay when they can get it for free ?
Come on now....
Well then there is no need to say wether it's for them or not..

Or are yous uggesting that all illegals just be left to die on the street should they walk into an ER. That's not very humane of you.. and it would never be done.

and they shouldn't qualify for any medicaid..
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:27 PM
 
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Thank you..

You know what's funny.. there was a woman that went to an Alan Specter town hall here in PA. Since she was on the news and it was everywhere she was invited to sit at MSNBC. She was just a regular woman from PA.
That woman turned out to be a big Glenn Beck fan, and an organizer of 9/12 parties.

She tried to scrub one of her online profiles (which talked of her interest in Beck), but of course the internet is tricky and there were cached copies available.

I'd love to know the percentages of the town hall attendees in opposition:

1. opposed for legitimate reasons
2. opposed for teaparty reasons
3. opposed because they'd been freaked out by Beck
4. opposed because they've been lied to by republicans

Little chance of ever getting that information though
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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That woman turned out to be a big Glenn Beck fan, and an organizer of 9/12 parties.

She tried to scrub one of her online profiles (which talked of her interest in Beck), but of course the internet is tricky and there were cached copies available.

I'd love to know the percentages of the town hall attendees in opposition:

1. opposed for legitimate reasons
2. opposed for teaparty reasons
3. opposed because they'd been freaked out by Beck
4. opposed because they've been lied to by republicans

Little chance of ever getting that information though
I think 4 will win because the same Freedomworks that provides the Buses is suing to end Social Security and Medicare
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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I find it interesting that the Democrats are removing the "end of life" section of the bill. If this was a lie as indicated by T.M then why remove it? The funniest part is that this bill is far from complete and they still want it passed. So what are we passing? I just want to know what the costs to me will be and why is that such a secret?

I thought the same thing.
They will just monitor reimbursements anyway. They do now, with Medicaid and Medicare.

People think they are going to go to the Mayo Clinic and the red carpet will be rolled out.
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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Coverage is not mandated for illegals in the bill. It simply says taht to PURCHASE insurance someone can not be discriminated against.. on Page 50 , btw.. that insurance companies that SELL insurance can not discrimate against and individual .

THAT MEANS.. an illegal can PURCHASE insurance and can't be denied the ability to purchase insurance based on his legal status..

You have a problem with illegals paying for their own insurance?

Or would you rather they hae NONE and end up in an ER where YOU foot the bill..

Oh yes it does.
You have a problem with illegals paying for their own insurance?
This doesn't matter, because illegals aren't supposed to be here anyway.

They already end up in the ERs. You don't know what you're talking about.

You just shoot from the hip.
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: USA
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Well then there is no need to say wether it's for them or not..

Or are yous uggesting that all illegals just be left to die on the street should they walk into an ER. That's not very humane of you.. and it would never be done.

and they shouldn't qualify for any medicaid..

Illegals come here to work. They come here of their own free will. They have children here of their own free will.

Gee, you dismiss that they have a brain.

If I went to Mexico illegally, I would not get free healthcare, and I would be put in prison.

Your sense of "compassion" is weakness, and you should care for all of the Americans who need help, not illegals.

Why are you siding with illegals??
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