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If this is true, where are they today? They certainly speak very quietly. Most of the liberals I see are people under 30.
Oh no no no no no my friend, there are PLENTY of older liberals around. I see them everywhere. I actually know of more liberals first hand than conservatives & it's not because I surround myself w/liberals..they're just there.
Honestly- and not to upset the purist- Woodstock 94 was probably MILES better than 1969 was. Woodstock was really a huge clusterphock that somehow people got through with only a few of them being killed. We were only supposed to be there for the first day and ended up there until late Sunday because there was no way out of the place. It was not comfortable and smelled like hell but people- for the most part- just made the best of the situation. I will bet 94 was well organized with enough food and clean outdoor toilets.
I'm sure that the 94 event was way more comfortable than 69. I had friends go in 69 and they relayed stories that were actually kind of scary.
We had food in 94.... the port-a-pots were overflowing by day 2... but still I imagine not as bad as 69.
94 will never be the cultural event 69 was... but I understand how tough it must have been to actually go through the 69 experience. I actually don't regret not going in 69.
I will say this though... Nine Inch Nails were awesome when they performed in 94! Not exactly 'The Who', but still pretty darn good.
If this is true, where are they today? They certainly speak very quietly. Most of the liberals I see are people under 30.
They move to areas where they can live out their lifestyles without interruption. Back then, they could probably live in big cities. Not these days though. Cost of living and whatnot. The western half of Oregon and Northern California (above SF and the Bay Area) are known for having many hippie havens. Modern liberals are "urban". Hippies are not.
You still haven't accepted my friendship request by the way, bad you! Anyway, I have to ask.....I was too young to remember the Carter days, I mean I vaguely remember them, I remember peanuts, but not much else...why is he considered such a bad president? Now I think of him as such a cool guy, he's so calm, a pacifist, just an all around good guy. What exactly was the problem w/him I wonder?
I voted for Ford... but I think Carter has gotten a bad rap. I'll let those posts go by the wayside.
He took on the most important issue of our time. Energy independence! Yeah, maybe some of his press relations acts were a little hokey, like lowering the thermostat and wearing a sweater. But the message was on spot. We had to conserve to avoid exploitation from the OPEC crew.
And, while the economy wasn't great during his term.... look what he got from Nixon and Ford, but many credit his appointment of Paul Volker for bringing inflation and interest rates back to comprehensible numbers.
Yes, he's vilified, but I think that a lot of the criticism he receives is exagerrated.
I remember Reagan coming in and tearing down the Solar panels Carter had installed in the White House and encouraging America to not worry about energy... the market will take care of it.
Yes, I was there. I rarely talk about it because, to be honest, as a 12 year old, I didn't really have a "great time" of it and probably would have preferred doing other things. It was just one of those things that older relatives drag you to when you visit them in the summer time. But looking back on it, I guess it was a symbol of the 1960s for many.
That aside, I have often wondered why the so called "Woodstock Generation" turned out to be as bad or even worse than the "pigs" they hated so much back then. All I recall about those people- including the relatives I went there with- was that they were about "love" and "changing the world". They hated the war and the greed of their parents. They despised the "establishment".
So what happened to them? They hated Veitnam and did not want to go fight in it but have no problem sending Generation X to Iraq which has even less justification.
They hated "greed" and wanted to "share the land" but now they lord over Wall Street and big business that has NEVER been more greedy than it is right now. In 1969 working people were much better off. My mother did not work, my father was a blue collar worker and, while we did not live high on the hog, there was always food and the bills got paid. Back then the richest 5% held much less total wealth than they do now.
So the question is did 400,000 people engage in what is The Big Lie or did they just toss all their ideals on the ground with their sleeping bags and trash when they left Max's farm?
It is really funny that me- a person who did not really care for Woodstock or for hippies- get the critical end of ex hippies calling me a .... dare I say it..... a LIBERAL!
Kev maybe you didn't feel it. We did indeed hate the pigs or any authority. I said "we". Many have abandoned what we stood for. I have not. I still hate the pigs, the politicians and any other authority that wants to tell me what to do. I had no use for them then and have no use for them now.
So much of the Hippy culture and what we believed in still lives even if you dont realize it. We did not like war and we dont like it now, especially when a dictator declares war based on fake and made up lies.
We had the greatest music in this countries history. The music meant something, it was deep and meaningful. Proof lies in the fact that it is still very much alive 40 years later, even after all the trash wrap and hippity hoppity garbage which took over the scene.
I'm still a Hippy. I still live by their rule. I have not cut my hair in 40 years but I do not wear bell bottoms. I would not vote even at gun point because I refuse to support those who steal from me and violate what few rights that they have not taken from me yet. I hate politics, I have no wings and dont call everyone liberal because the word has no meaning when everyone calls everyone a liberal like it was a curse word. I still play the keyboards like Eric Burdon and sing like the breeze.
It was a great time to be alive and to be a kid. I cant imagine being alive today without having Woodstock, the music and the camaraderie as part of my life which shapped me into who and what I am today.
I will never ever forget it and I will never get old despite what my birth cert says.
I'm sure that the 94 event was way more comfortable than 69. I had friends go in 69 and they relayed stories that were actually kind of scary.
We had food in 94.... the port-a-pots were overflowing by day 2... but still I imagine not as bad as 69.
94 will never be the cultural event 69 was... but I understand how tough it must have been to actually go through the 69 experience. I actually don't regret not going in 69.
I will say this though... Nine Inch Nails were awesome when they performed in 94! Not exactly 'The Who', but still pretty darn good.
It's all good...
LOL, I saw NIN....in an auditorium, but they still rocked. I have to say, from what I've "heard", '94 or whenever it was, woodstock was still pretty dirty. I've heard stories of the whole "not having water", "the bathrooms were nowhere to be seen, we pee'd right there", yada yada yada. I think both of them were something to behold & I'm just kinda annoyed that I didn't go to either of them. The first one I wasn't born yet & the 2nd one I felt I was to old to go to. Go figure.
I voted for Ford... but I think Carter has gotten a bad rap. I'll let those posts go by the wayside.
He took on the most important issue of our time. Energy independence! Yeah, maybe some of his press relations acts were a little hokey, like lowering the thermostat and wearing a sweater. But the message was on spot. We had to conserve to avoid exploitation from the OPEC crew.
And, while the economy wasn't great during his term.... look what he got from Nixon and Ford, but many credit his appointment of Paul Volker for bringing inflation and interest rates back to comprehensible numbers.
Yes, he's vilified, but I think that a lot of the criticism he receives is exagerrated.
I remember Reagan coming in and tearing down the Solar panels Carter had installed in the White House and encouraging America to not worry about energy... the market will take care of it.
ok... that's enough going through memory lane.
Thank you, at least you gave me a little something.
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I'm sure that the 94 event was way more comfortable than 69. I had friends go in 69 and they relayed stories that were actually kind of scary. We had food in 94.... the port-a-pots were overflowing by day 2... but still I imagine not as bad as 69.
94 will never be the cultural event 69 was... but I understand how tough it must have been to actually go through the 69 experience. I actually don't regret not going in 69.
I will say this though... Nine Inch Nails were awesome when they performed in 94! Not exactly 'The Who', but still pretty darn good.
It's all good...
In my LIFETIME I have smelled death and many other very unpleasent things and my point of reference is always the portable outhouses of 1969. It was enough to gag the toughest maggot in the world! 400,000 people put out lots of fecal matter, urine and vomit over 4 days (and don't let anybody fool you with that 3 days stuff- NOBODY got out before midnight Sunday and bands were still playing!) The best view of 1969 was really the movie. When I saw it, I said wow! The movie sounded and looked good. Much better than the original which had not enough speakers for even a decent amphitheatre today.
Kev maybe you didn't feel it. We did indeed hate the pigs or any authority. I said "we". Many have abandoned what we stood for. I have not. I still hate the pigs, the politicians and any other authority that wants to tell me what to do. I had no use for them then and have no use for them now.
So much of the Hippy culture and what we believed in still lives even if you dont realize it. We did not like war and we dont like it now, especially when a dictator declares war based on fake and made up lies.
We had the greatest music in this countries history. The music meant something, it was deep and meaningful. Proof lies in the fact that it is still very much alive 40 years later, even after all the trash wrap and hippity hoppity garbage which took over the scene.
I'm still a Hippy. I still live by their rule. I have not cut my hair in 40 years but I do not wear bell bottoms. I would not vote even at gun point because I refuse to support those who steal from me and violate what few rights that they have not taken from me yet. I hate politics, I have no wings and dont call everyone liberal because the word has no meaning when everyone calls everyone a liberal like it was a curse word. I still play the keyboards like Eric Burdon and sing like the breeze.
It was a great time to be alive and to be a kid. I cant imagine being alive today without having Woodstock, the music and the camaraderie as part of my life which shapped me into who and what I am today.
I will never ever forget it and I will never get old despite what my birth cert says.
You kinda remind me of a friend of mine. He's got the long hair too, he hates taxes, yada yada. He would fit right into the hippie culture. I actually love him to bits. But he's into politics & he's one of the smartest guys that I talk to.
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LOL, I saw NIN....in an auditorium, but they still rocked. I have to say, from what I've "heard", '94 or whenever it was, woodstock was still pretty dirty. I've heard stories of the whole "not having water", "the bathrooms were nowhere to be seen, we pee'd right there", yada yada yada. I think both of them were something to behold & I'm just kinda annoyed that I didn't go to either of them. The first one I wasn't born yet & the 2nd one I felt I was to old to go to. Go figure.
In 69 there was plenty of water. You get get it from one of many hoses that they had around the place. But I will say that all these bands sound much better in your local concert venue. I have seen many of them up close since including Santana and Creedence and they sounded alot better than they did there. I am really into bands from the 60s and 70s. Just saw Frampton for the 3rd time.
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