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Guys, trying to get these guys to actually believe the Global Warming is not happening will be next to impossible. I mean after all these are the same folks who elected a man based on nothing more than the mottoes "Change" and "Yes We Can" (I never once got an answer besides F*#@ Off when I asked Obama supporters yes you can what?)
They have their mindset locked in, nothing is going to change it short of an ice age.
Professor Lindzen is a dynamical meteorologist with interests in the broad topics of climate, planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, planetary atmospheres, and hydrodynamic instability. His research involves studies of the role of the tropics in mid-latitude weather and global heat transport, the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of climate sensitivity. He has made major contributions to the development of the current theory for the Hadley Circulation, which dominates the atmospheric transport of heat and momentum from the tropics to higher latitudes, and has advanced the understanding of the role of small scale gravity waves in producing the reversal of global temperature gradients at the mesopause.
He pioneered the study of how ozone photochemistry, radiative transfer and dynamics interact with each other. He is currently studying the ways in which unstable eddies determine the pole to equator temperature difference, and the nonlinear equilibration of baroclinic instability and the contribution of such instabilities to global heat transport. In the past few years, he has been studying the influence of temperature on cumulus convection and its role in generating cirrus decks. The results so far strongly suggest a powerful negative feedback in climate.
He has developed models for the Earth's climate with specific concern for the stability of the ice caps, the sensitivity to increases in CO2, the origin of the 100,000 year cycle in glaciation, and the maintenance of regional variations in climate.
Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and the AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and a Fellow of the AAAS. (Ph.D., '64, S.M., '61, A.B., '60, Harvard University)
Interesting lay level presentation by Lindzen. In summary he says global warming is real, it's happening, anthropogenic sources are important, but the magnitude of climate change caused by an increase in greenhouse gases is less than that estimated by the other equally qualified scientists who work in the field. Prof Lindzen may well be right. But that begs the question.....
What are the implications if from a policy standpoint if we do nothing to arrest the exponential increase in greenhouse gas emmissions?
We get to the same point in environmental damage predicted by the other scientists, but it take longer.....
If this is the best, and I think it is, case the climate change deniers can put forward, I think it's time to move forward with Waxman Markey.
I wish I could remain alive and healthy for the next couple of centuries just so I could observe what actually happens. That would be really interesting.
BTW - Why did the climate warm up between 800 and 1200 AD and then cool off so much during the 1200's to the 1500's?
Global climate didn't warm between 800 and 1200 AD.
Excellent! Thank you for sharing. My favorite slide is the one that explains Gore's (and many people's) motives:
"Why is Gore doing this?
There are probably many reasons, but one is fairly clear. Global warming is about observations of small warming coupled with poorly supported claims about the future. The proposed actions will be costly in both economic and human terms. Actions that will actually stabilize CO2 at levels held to be acceptable will, in effect, return us to the pre-industrial condition. Such harmful actions can only be promoted in an atmosphere of crisis. You are, therefore, led to believe that disasters, that occur all the time, are now due to human induced global warming. This involves dishonesty at a very high level."
You do realize the Earth has been much, much hotter in the past, with no people to blame? What caused it?
Many things affect climate, but a major driver of what's happening now is anthropogenic. There are natural causes for fires and anthropogenic causes of fire. We still find it beneficial to fight fires.
Excellent! Thank you for sharing. My favorite slide is the one that explains Gore's (and many people's) motives:
"Why is Gore doing this?
There are probably many reasons, but one is fairly clear. Global warming is about observations of small warming coupled with poorly supported claims about the future. The proposed actions will be costly in both economic and human terms. Actions that will actually stabilize CO2 at levels held to be acceptable will, in effect, return us to the pre-industrial condition. Such harmful actions can only be promoted in an atmosphere of crisis. You are, therefore, led to believe that disasters, that occur all the time, are now due to human induced global warming. This involves dishonesty at a very high level."
Interesting. Is Gore also responsible for the findings of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION in the world? Is the WHOLE WORLD "dishonest"?
This guy's "theories" have already been disproved. But he's the climate change skeptics' favorite boy. No surprise there.
Many things affect climate, but a major driver of what's happening now is anthropogenic. There are natural causes for fires and anthropogenic causes of fire. We still find it beneficial to fight fires.
How do you know? The fact is.................you don't. No one knows for sure. Unless there is strong evidence to support that contention, it is simply conjecture and not fact. Let's act upon proven facts rather than presumptions and fears. Global warming now reminds me of a Salem witch hunt- fear mongers blaming an entity with no truth, and unfortunately acting upon those fears.
How do you know? The fact is.................you don't. No one knows for sure. Unless there is strong evidence to support that contention, it is simply conjecture and not fact. Let's act upon proven facts rather than presumptions and fears. Global warming now reminds me of a Salem witch hunt- fear mongers blaming an entity with no truth, and unfortunately acting upon those fears.
Simply not true. What in the world makes you think that there's isn't "strong evidence"??? Do you seriously believe that most of the world's climate scientists are simply "conjecturing"???? Absurd.
I find it absolutely hilarious that posters on an internet forum think they know more than climate scientists about climate change. As though they've discovered some scientific secret nobody else knows about.
The people who think that there's no "evidence" for climate change are like the "birthers": No matter how much "evidence" is presented, it's never enough. And the reason it's never enough is because it's actually not about "evidence." It's about an ideological resistance to anything that even remotely challenges their world view.
Interesting. Is Gore also responsible for the findings of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION in the world? Is the WHOLE WORLD "dishonest"?
This guy's "theories" have already been disproved. But he's the climate change skeptics' favorite boy. No surprise there.
If you noticed, I said Gore's and "many people's" motives. Not saying Gore is responsible or a spokesman for anyone. He is just a very vocal and influential proponent of this politicized theory.
As you saw by the slides, your ridiculous claim that so-called global warming, aka climate change, is a universally held theory in not true. "The whole world" is not dishonest because the "whole world" does not support or believe what Al Gore and others believe.
You need to get out of your echo chamber once in a while.
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