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By Carrie Johnson (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/carrie+johnson/ - broken link)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 24, 2009; 2:10 PM
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has decided to appoint a prosecutor to examine nearly a dozen
cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors may have violated anti-torture laws and other
statutes when they threatened terrorism suspects, according to two sources familiar with the move.
In X number of years, when America is struck by terrorists, again, right here in the Homeland, government investigators probing the ability of terrorists to penetrate our intelligence-gathering network will undoubtedly harken back to 2009 when CIA operatives were investigated and prosecuted (?) for their actions. The independent committee will find that a culture of caution at the CIA, as a result of these invesitgations and prosecutions, watered-down our ability to take the necessary action to prevent an attack on our country.
I can envision this without a single reservation. It's only a matter of time.
By Carrie Johnson (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/carrie+johnson/ - broken link)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 24, 2009; 2:10 PM
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has decided to appoint a prosecutor to examine nearly a dozen
cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors may have violated anti-torture laws and other
statutes when they threatened terrorism suspects, according to two sources familiar with the move.
Go after Bush/Cheney first... You know what they say S*** rolls down hill...
Nobody but left wing idiots care about this stuff. Nobody but left wing morons believe Eric Holder. Who cares what he does, it's just something to get our minds off healthcare. And it won't work. You are just helping them with their propaganda. Wake up!
In X number of years, when America is struck by terrorists, again, right here in the Homeland, government investigators probing the ability of terrorists to penetrate our intelligence-gathering network will undoubtedly harken back to 2009 when CIA operatives were investigated and prosecuted (?) for their actions. The independent committee will find that a culture of caution at the CIA, as a result of these invesitgations and prosecutions, watered-down our ability to take the necessary action to prevent an attack on our country.
I can envision this without a single reservation. It's only a matter of time.
You're being overly optimistic. If Holder goes ahead with this you'll see the biggest exodus of CIA personnel ever, beginning with Leon Panetta. He'll have to quit. There'll be no agency left to oversee.
Nobody but left wing idiots care about this stuff. Nobody but left wing morons believe Eric Holder. Who cares what he does, it's just something to get our minds off healthcare. And it won't work. You are just helping them with their propaganda. Wake up!
and guess who's running the governmemt? yep, us left wingers...
By Carrie Johnson (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/carrie+johnson/ - broken link)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 24, 2009; 2:10 PM
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has decided to appoint a prosecutor to examine nearly a dozen
cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors may have violated anti-torture laws and other
statutes when they threatened terrorism suspects, according to two sources familiar with the move.
In X number of years, when America is struck by terrorists, again, right here in the Homeland, government investigators probing the ability of terrorists to penetrate our intelligence-gathering network will undoubtedly harken back to 2009 when CIA operatives were investigated and prosecuted (?) for their actions. The independent committee will find that a culture of caution at the CIA, as a result of these invesitgations and prosecutions, watered-down our ability to take the necessary action to prevent an attack on our country.
I can envision this without a single reservation. It's only a matter of time.
What crap.
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The CIA inspector general in 2004 found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to recently declassified Justice Department memos.
. . .
The IG's report is among several indications that the Bush administration's use of abusive interrogation methods was less productive than some former administration officials have claimed.
Even some of those in the military who developed the techniques warned that the information they produced was "less reliable" than that gained by traditional psychological measures, and that using them would produce an "intolerable public and political backlash when discovered," according to a Senate Armed Services Committee report released on Tuesday.
by Ali Soufan, an F.B.I. supervisory special agent from 1997 to 2005
. . .
There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.
Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false. The information that led to Mr. Shibh’s capture came primarily from a different terrorist operative who was interviewed using traditional methods. As for Mr. Padilla, the dates just don’t add up: the harsh techniques were approved in the memo of August 2002, Mr. Padilla had been arrested that May.
In 2006, a group of scientists and retired intelligence officers set out to settle the matter. They sought to find the most effective interrogation tactics and advise the U.S. government on their use. Their conclusions, laid out in a 372-page report for the director of national intelligence, argued against harsh interrogation.
“The scientific community has never established that coercive interrogation methods are an effective means of obtaining reliable intelligence information,” former military interrogation instructor and retired Air Force Col Steven M Kleinman wrote in the Intelligence Science Board report. “In essence, there seems to be an unsubstantiated assumption that ‘compliance’ carries the same connotation as ‘meaningful cooperation.’”
In short: Slam someone up against the wall, keep him awake for days, lock him naked in a cell and slap his face enough, and he will probably say something. That doesn’t necessarily make it true.
As a rule, torture is not an effective method of extracting information from prisoners, most experts agree.
. . .
Though captives are less resentful when tortured psychologically, it doesn't make their statements any more trustworthy, Rejali said.
"Torture during interrogations rarely yields better information than traditional human intelligence, partly because no one has figured out a precise, reliable way to break human beings or any adequate method to evaluate whether what prisoners say when they do talk is true,"
. . .
There's no such thing as "a little bit of torture," McCoy said of the "light" tactics that are preferred today. Detainees are just as likely to tell their interrogators whatever they want to hear under psychological distress as they are under physical distress, he said, a statement backed up by Sen. John McCain, who himself was tortured as an officer during the Vietnam War.
A new study finds some people under interrogation will confess to crimes they did not commit, either to end the questioning or because they become convinced they did it.
An unrelated study last year found it is fairly easy to create false memories in people in a lab setting.
Lack of sleep and isolation contribute to false confessions, the scientists say in the new study, announced today.
On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier.
Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.
So much for the Bush Administration rewriting the History Books... Of course anything goes in Texas.
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