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View Poll Results: Are You Tired of the Lies and Empty Promises of Leftist and Marxist America?
yes 49 65.33%
no 14 18.67%
other 11 14.67%
not sure 1 1.33%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-01-2009, 10:02 AM
 
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'Crypo-fascists'? Is that the latest label being bandied about by the Rushbot idiots?
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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Do you ever do anything else with your days, ELORocks?

No doubt Democrats use double speak and all, but to deny that Republicans do is just either disingenuous or blind.

They're politicians. On the balance, I think Democrats spread fewer blatant lies (look at how many untruths have had to be conjured up about health care and Obama to try and stop them) but perhaps more nuanced language that can be interpreted different ways.

See both the value and limitations of both sides, young one. You will be better for it in the end and this rage that consumes you over political values that have existed for hundreds of years will fade.

Good luck
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Do you ever do anything else with your days, ELORocks?

No doubt Democrats use double speak and all, but to deny that Republicans do is just either disingenuous or blind.

They're politicians. On the balance, I think Democrats spread fewer blatant lies (look at how many untruths have had to be conjured up about health care and Obama to try and stop them) but perhaps more nuanced language that can be interpreted different ways.

See both the value and limitations of both sides, young one. You will be better for it in the end and this rage that consumes you over political values that have existed for hundreds of years will fade.

Good luck
One slight difference, The Democrats control the Senate, the PResidency, and 1/2 of the Supreme court...so thier "Doublespeak" is far more important an issue to the public than McCains lame duck attempt to appease NObama.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Are You Tired of the Lies and Empty Promises of Leftist and Marxist America?
Are you tired of posting rightwing propaganda? Yes or No.
Casper
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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One of my favorite is "Barak Obama wants to listen to all sides! He doesnt care if you are a republican or democrat"

What a crock! Republicans have been completely shut out of the process on healthcare and these wacky people still believe Obama is listening to those that oppose government controll of everything.
If you believe that "Republicans have been completely shut out of the process on healthcare," you are willfully blind.

The Republicans in this Congress are the most destructive, obstructionist group of right-wing fascists that our Congress has ever seen. They're not the least bit interested in bipartisanship. Their sole desire is to destroy the Obama presidency.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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One slight difference, The Democrats control the Senate, the PResidency, and 1/2 of the Supreme court...so thier "Doublespeak" is far more important an issue to the public than McCains lame duck attempt to appease NObama.

...and yet you were pretty content when the Republicans controlled all three branches of government and nearly shredded our Constitution in the name of power.

Things will balance out in 2010. They always do. Dems realize this and are just pushing as much as they can through before we have a balanced government again.

I just wish once in a while you wouldn't just regurgitate far right talking points and assert these "conservatives good, liberals bad" worldviews.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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OkeyDokey then, here's the 14 Pointts of Fascism . Everyone can read them and see which administration fits them the best. Hint: The Fascists were AGAINST abortion, unions, perceived liberals as a threat, to name just a few.


[SIZE=2]1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
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[SIZE=2]2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of \u201cneed.\u201d The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
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[SIZE=2]3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]4. Supremacy of the Military[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]5. Rampant Sexism[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]6. Controlled Mass Media[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
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[SIZE=2]7. Obsession with National Security[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]8. Religion and Government are Intertwined[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
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[SIZE=2]9. Corporate Power is Protected[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
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[SIZE=2]10. Labor Power is Suppressed[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
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[SIZE=2]11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free _expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
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[SIZE=2]12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
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[SIZE=2]14. Fraudulent Elections[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]`Fascism Anyone?,' by Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, identifies social and political agendas common to fascis[/SIZE]
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: California
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Since my post on page one was deleted for "not being on topic"...

No. But I am tired of these insanely worded polls.

Like that better mods? It's totally topical.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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You mean like how you liberals always use wingnut instead of the Republican?

I guess you haven't heard the different iterations of Liberals, or the Obamabots i could go on, but i'm sure you've seen them all. NEXT
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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You forgot communist, another of hussein obama's loves. He is slipping fast in the polls and will end up being the most hated president in America. The left wingers that are completlely mesmerized by their messiah are the gays and the drug users. Real Democrats are also waking up to the threat hussein obama and his criminal racist filled administration poses to us all.

Who the hell is this Messiah and Hussein Obama you keep refering too? Why don't you stay on subject. The discussion is the U.S and President Barack Hussein Obama. If you have a messiah, i'm happy for you
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