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You even took my post in a manner which was based on concepts and beliefs of one party vs. another.
Are some of you even capable of seeing beyond partisan rhetoric?
My player vs. cheerleader analogy had NOTHING to do with how people are integrated in our society and only how we approach debate.
You are continuing to be partisan and are unable to be objective.
You missed the hidden metaphor in your post; perhaps it was unintentional. My concern is less political and more financial. When we reach a point in this country that more than 51% pay no tax control the 49% who do, the nation will implode. It is not substainable. At that point there would be no incentive to excel. One of the primary contributing factors to America's success has been a system which allows individuals to profit from their own labor and success. Destroy that framework and America dies. That simple.
China struggled as a nation until it introduced pseudo-capitalism. Japan thrived after WWII when in introduced capitalism. Research the studies on communes. They always fail for one reason: sooner or later a few people get tired of supporting those who don't pull their weight. What is important to note is that humans are remarkably compassionate and reasonable. Commune members reported no problem with a member who worked hard every day and produced less than other members as long as they tried and contributed.
I think the reason the nation is so polarized is that it parrallels the current tax system. Half pay and half don't pay. The half that do pay are getting tired of the half that don't telling them what they should spend their money on.
lol. Did you even read these "rules"? Why on earth are you so afraid of them? Because you've been told to be?
Try actually reading them, one by one, and please report back as to which ones are the scariest -- and which are exclusive to the terrifying saul alinsky.
I'll bet the site you copied them from didnt encourage you to read them!* so, you're welcome
* unless it's one of those pitiful, typical right wing sources that wants tea bagger types to apply its considerable value to their own marzes der narren, but having no original thoughts of their own and never having experienced what alinsky did they have to copy the original... And of course, have no problem with that.
You missed the hidden metaphor in your post; perhaps it was unintentional. My concern is less political and more financial. When we reach a point in this country that more than 51% pay no tax control the 49% who do, the nation will implode. It is not substainable. At that point there would be no incentive to excel. One of the primary contributing factors to America's success has been a system which allows individuals to profit from their own labor and success. Destroy that framework and America dies. That simple.
China struggled as a nation until it introduced pseudo-capitalism. Japan thrived after WWII when in introduced capitalism. Research the studies on communes. They always fail for one reason: sooner or later a few people get tired of supporting those who don't pull their weight. What is important to note is that humans are remarkably compassionate and reasonable. Commune members reported no problem with a member who worked hard every day and produced less than other members as long as they tried and contributed.
I think the reason the nation is so polarized is that it parrallels the current tax system. Half pay and half don't pay. The half that do pay are getting tired of the half that don't telling them what they should spend their money on.
You "found" a hidden metephor in my OP, because you are completely incapable of abandoning your partisan rhetoric for 2 seconds.
You are prime example of what I am talking about regarding objectivity. Luckily though, you aren't immature and juvinile.
Regardless.... it doesn't MATTER what you think about financial, or political, or religion, or abortion, or war.... the point is... debate it logically and objectivily. That is the point.
To be quite honest, the fact that some people are completely incapable of even SEEING how non-objective they are seriously concerns me. Are people so filled with partisan rhetoric and talking points that they can't even have a discussion on a political forum without regarding HOW the debate is handled without actually debating? Im astounded.
Yeah, because the office of the President was SO respected while Bush held it.
Eitherway, you are off topic.
The office of the POTUS was resepected and that is the very reason why people were up in arms. The Bush administration defiled the office with all of the underhanded and corrupted catering to the Neoconcs and ignoring the will and needs of the people. I don't think that any respect is warranted when we were lied into a war that enriched cronies and corporate interests as opposed to doing things for Americans with the tax dollars. Iraq's oil never paid for the war as we were told it was going to. I really will not get into a debate about Bush again as the people that accept the truth and the ones that deny the truth are already etched in stone.
libertarian, I am astounded by how degrading this forum has gotten since President Obama was elected. The partisan split, and overall immature and juvinile nature of many of the people here, is really quite disturbing.
Where were you the last 8 years of hate from the Left? If you were silent or joined in on the hate, you don't have a leg to stand on or any credibility on the issue.
Please, point out for me your posts denigrating the Left for their rabid hatred of Bush.
To be quite honest, the fact that some people are completely incapable of even SEEING how non-objective they are seriously concerns me. Are people so filled with partisan rhetoric and talking points that they can't even have a discussion on a political forum without regarding HOW the debate is handled without actually debating? Im astounded.
I was just about to say the same thing. People are debating their ability to debate in a reasonable and objective manner by slinging mud and pointing fingers. Maybe there is a need for Proselytizers Not-so-Anonymous.
where were you the last 8 years of hate from the left? If you were silent or joined in on the hate, you don't have a leg to stand on or any credibility on the issue.
Please, point out for me your posts denigrating the left for their rabid hatred of bush.
(This is how I suggest that we handle people who continue to be partisan hacks who derail conversations, like the above post. PH=partisan hack. Everybody just post PH and ignore the person who can't be objective)
This conversation WASN'T ABOUT division. Its ok to disagree. Nobody expects or even thinks its a good idea to agree. The point though, is HOW you disagree.
You just lost all cred. For someone who started this thread about partisanship, funny you start labeling people PH. "Labels" are part of the problem with partisanship doncha think?
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