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I gave a link to a report on the Veterans Admin's health care system... seems to be working well.
As someone who has worked at the VA and constantly hears complaints from VA patients (about the wait, no one spending time with them, etc), I would beg to differ.
They already get subsidized loans and grants. I'll bet you also think we should have student loan forgiveness. Jeez folks... when are ya'll gonna realize. We're broke. Giving away things we can't afford with money you don't have....
First of all, you're getting into "slippery slope" territory. Secondly, we're never broke when it comes to the military.
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As someone who has worked at the VA and constantly hears complaints from VA patients (about the wait, no one spending time with them, etc), I would beg to differ.
You work in health care as do I. How many times have you heard the above in your own practice? I couldn't even count them, could you? (Esp. re: the wait)
Here in British Columbia we have government run health care that is far more efficient than anything in the US, we also have government run auto insurance, cheaper and more efficient than anything in the US, BC hydro, again cheaper and more efficient than private electrical facilities.
We also have subsidized university education, which makes it far more affordable for many students.
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First of all, you're getting into "slippery slope" territory. Secondly, we're never broke when it comes to the military.
The fact is we are broke. Doesn't matter what the government is wanting to fund. Doesn't matter what social program's we need. Doesn't matter if its the military, education, transportation. We're broke. Pure fiscal mismanagement all the way around. And until someone somewhere figures out how to fix this mess throwing more mismanaged programs and government red tape isn't going to help do a dog-gone thing.
The fact is we are broke. Doesn't matter what the government is wanting to fund. Doesn't matter what social program's we need. Doesn't matter if its the military, education, transportation. We're broke. Pure fiscal mismanagement all the way around. And until someone somewhere figures out how to fix this mess throwing more mismanaged programs and government red tape isn't going to help do a dog-gone thing.
I'm not sure that is a fact. Secondly, that seems only to be brought out when social programs are being discussed.
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I'm not sure that is a fact. Secondly, that seems only to be brought out when social programs are being discussed.
Come on... you know we're broke. When you can't even pay the bills without raising the limit on your credit card to cover it and being farther in debt tomorrow.... Your broke. It's time to start doing at least one of a few things. Work harder and smarter to make more money (and our politicians are totally incapable of this one). Start selling assets to pay off debt. Start cutting expenses.
Come on... you know we're broke. When you can't even pay the bills without raising the limit on your credit card to cover it and being farther in debt tomorrow.... Your broke. It's time to start doing at least one of a few things. Work harder and smarter to make more money (and our politicians are totally incapable of this one). Start selling assets to pay off debt. Start cutting expenses.
We can't spend ourselves out of this one.
The problem is not WE are spending money, it is THWY spending our money.
If you give me your credit car and bank account, why should I even care how high it will go. I don't. This is the problem. THEY always said WE. There is not WE, it is THEY.
They don't care because they are already set with lavage pensions and health care
I'm sorry but what's the point of this thread? Is this a ploy to prove that Big Government is bad? Or that the Big bad government is out to get us? I am tired of the redundancy and ignorance and it smells like tea in here. How about we remove government all together and see how well we do with anarchy? I would name some things but I'm sure they will be attacked because this thread was most likely not created to list things that work but rather to pick apart and bash the house majority and the president (the "big government").
A lot of things don't work because people with power (large corporations and politicians) don't want them to work. Things don't work because the strongest driving force in our goverment is greed. We spend trillions of dollars on war but can't provide healthcare or a starving child (whose parent decided not to abort them despite the circumstances). People are so concerned with some illegal immigrant getting something that they'd let 40,000 uninsured people die to prevent this, all the while, the illegal immigrants are going to the ER and we're paying for it anyway. Another reason why some things don't work, our priorities are screwed.
Agree with everything in this post. Wish I had said it myself....
Can anyone name and talk about a federal government-run program, over the last 50 years, that works/worked effectively and efficiently? I realize as individuals we can't know everything that's out there but as individuals we might know one program of which other people are unaware. I'm looking for a model program to say, "Well if that works/worked, why don't we do more federal government-run programs that way?"
The criteria should be it accomplished its objective (examples: to decrease crime, the number of poor/homeless/drug users/unemployed/prostitution, illegal immigrants, etc. or to improve something working poorly) and it didn't cost more than what was originally promised/budgeted.
If you can name one, tell us why you think it worked so when other federal government programs are proposed, we can look for the same signs that the new program will be successful in achieving its objective without doing harm and having cost overruns.
The GAO found billions of dollars wasted by government. If the government was run like a business, this wasteful spending would be top priority.
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The problem is not WE are spending money, it is THWY spending our money.
If you give me your credit car and bank account, why should I even care how high it will go. I don't. This is the problem. THEY always said WE. There is not WE, it is THEY.
They don't care because they are already set with lavage pensions and health care
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Point taken. So just who is the They? So maybe the first clue to solving the problems are to pin-point who the bozo "They's" are. And remove them from the equation. First problem solved... next?
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They already get subsidized loans and grants. I'll bet you also think we should have student loan forgiveness. Jeez folks... when are ya'll gonna realize. We're broke. Giving away things we can't afford with money you don't have....
