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If there is absolutely no sex is involved in rape why do they penetrate the vagina with the penis? Why not just increase the violence and control they are seeking by using a bat or knife? Why deny that rape is the marriage of sex and violence by saying that it is only violence?
This is like saying that there is no death in hunting only eating. There is death in hunting and there is sex in rape. It is the strong sexual passion that drives the violence in rape, the same way the hunger urge drives the violence in hunting.
1. Of course there is sex involved. (Just not the real reason behind it).
2. Sometimes an object is used as well (or instead) but it's still rape.
3. To clarify - it is not ONLY violence, it stems from violence.
Why do people rape? "Many people think that rape and sexual abuse is about the rapist trying to get sex. However, studies conducted with convicted rapists show that this isn't the case. Research shows that men who sexually offend do so to gain a sense of power and authority, while women sexually offend to either maintain or establish an emotional relationship. Sexual activity is the means by which this is achieved, not the reason for the rape."
If there is absolutely no sex involved in rape then why does the penis penetrate the vagina during the act? If it is only an act of violence why not just use a bat or knife? Why don't they use penis' to rob banks? Why deny that rape is the marriage of sex and violence by saying that it is only violence? The truth is is that the sex urge drives the whole act.
This is like saying that there is no death in hunting only eating. Indeed there is death in hunting and there certainly is sex in rape. It is the strong sexual passion that drives the violence in rape, the same way the hunger urge drives the violence in hunting. Overheated sex urges along with anger is the emotional cocktail that drives rape.
Rape has nothing to do with sex. It is an act perpetrated upon the victim to exert control. The act of penetration takes away the victim's ability to control her own body and/or the situation. It is not driven by the urge for sex.
Are you saying that men are unable to control themselves once they become aroused and so must follow the act to fruition or die?
Men? You all need to step in here and defend yourselves. If a woman says no, are you unable to control your basic animal urges? Are you going to take what you want regardless because the physical urges override your sense of what is right and what is wrong?
Pu-leeze.......
Why don't you just go ahead and say it...."She was asking for it......"
AN Groth, W Burgess and LL Holmstrom
Accounts from both offenders and victims of what occurs during a rape suggest that issues of power, anger, and sexuality are important in understanding the rapist's behavior. All three issues seem to operate in every rape, but the proportion varies and one issue seems to dominate in each instance. The authors ranked accounts from 133 offenders and 92 victims for the dominant issue and found that the offenses could be categorized as power rape (sexuality used primarily to express power) or anger rape (use of sexuality to express anger). There were no rapes in which sex was the dominant issue; sexuality was always in the service of other, nonsexual needs.
AN Groth, W Burgess and LL Holmstrom
Accounts from both offenders and victims of what occurs during a rape suggest that issues of power, anger, and sexuality are important in understanding the rapist's behavior. All three issues seem to operate in every rape, but the proportion varies and one issue seems to dominate in each instance. The authors ranked accounts from 133 offenders and 92 victims for the dominant issue and found that the offenses could be categorized as power rape (sexuality used primarily to express power) or anger rape (use of sexuality to express anger). There were no rapes in which sex was the dominant issue; sexuality was always in the service of other, nonsexual needs.
Thanks.
I've always been curious about the anger thing, because I don't think I could get it up during anger, never have, and I've been angry before.
What you posted about no sex in rape is a classic doublethink; a stunted understanding of the whole paradigm of sex and control. It is like saying no beef in hamburger or no water in the ocean. It is ironic that people are cutting and pasting their knowledge directly from the APA which has a major conflict of issue in the matter. The APA is in the business of promoting many of the behaviors that lead to rape. To be a client of one of the APA members you likely have a sexual perversion and it works better for the APA to promote these vices in people rather than to try to stamp them out and drive a wedge between the cash cow clients and the APA.
It is the the perverted sex urge that drives rape and violence is an outgrowth of an pornographically inflamed urge for sex. There is a direct correlation between the sex urge and the capacity for violence in a man. In fact every serial rapist/killer from Bundy to Dahmer was found to have a tremendous stash of violent pornography in their home that was the driver of their crimes.
It is the perverted inflamed sexual passion that leads to violence which then leads to power. Power leads to empire. It is why all empires like Rome or the USA are based on decadence and promote it in their people. It is a way to not only control the people by enslaving them to their own sexual desire, but to justify the empires own perversions by promoting the perversions of the people. This may be a hard concept for Americans to understand but you are either in control of your sexual desire or someone else will control it for you. Many people are out of control and confuse their sexual passion for themselves.
You should really reflect/meditate on that statement of "no sex in rape" for further clarification. This whole truth of sex and political control is hidden from students because the the whole deck of cards of empire is built on political control based on sexual vice. The secular schools teaches that sex is not part of rape to divorce the action of spreading sexual vice from one of its most revolting repercussions. Groups like the APA are very much in the business of absolving their clients of their sexual sins and giving license to perversion; it is how the APA members make their living. It seems that many have taken the indoctrination pill, swallowing the lot of the stupidity whole.
Yes the sex urge can be so strong in men it can almost be like having to go to the bathroom, or like having a rodent in your pants that you just have to let out. Sexual urge in a man is a pressure that must be released. This urge is not an inherently bad thing, it is part of the whole species survival strategy. But the sexual urge can be used to harness the mans desires.
If the desire is constantly stoked by exposure to pornography that divorces the humanity of women from the sexual act, it is then that violence becomes part of the sexual desire. With more and more violent porn out there featuring all sorts of unspeakable acts of violence it is no wonder that gang rape has become a common occurrence especially among the young who are enslaved to the raging passions of adolescence.
It is funny to watch the secular indoctrination in action and see how the masses divorce this primary urge from the violent act.
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Rape has nothing to do with sex. It is an act perpetrated upon the victim to exert control. The act of penetration takes away the victim's ability to control her own body and/or the situation. It is not driven by the urge for sex.
Are you saying that men are unable to control themselves once they become aroused and so must follow the act to fruition or die?
Men? You all need to step in here and defend yourselves. If a woman says no, are you unable to control your basic animal urges? Are you going to take what you want regardless because the physical urges override your sense of what is right and what is wrong?
Pu-leeze.......
Why don't you just go ahead and say it...."She was asking for it......"
Last edited by samyn on the green; 10-31-2009 at 02:11 AM..
- 1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).
- 17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape.
- In 2007, there were 248,300 victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault.(These figures do not include victims 12 years old or younger.)
- Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted.
- Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.
- Only 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.
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* The average age of a rapist is 31 years old.
* 52% are white. (For all of you racists out there)
* 22% of imprisoned rapists report that they are married.
* Juveniles accounted for 16% of forcible rape arrestees in 1995 and 17% of those arrested for other sex offenses.
* In 1 in 3 sexual assaults, the perpetrator was intoxicated — 30% with alcohol, 4% with drugs.
* 84% of victims reported the use of physical force only.
According to the organization, KidsHealth, the act of rape is considered as forced, unwanted sexual intercourse which has nothing to do with passion or love. It is an act of aggression, violence, power and control, therefore rape is seen as a violent hate crime, not a sexual crime. Rape
Rape is about power, control and anger, not sexual arousal or gratification. Nicholas Groth , author of "Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender", states that men seldom find sexual satisfaction when committing this brutal act. So what could their motives be? Groth states that rapists speak about aggression and the satisfaction of having power and control over their victims. Their goal is to capture, overpower and control their victims. It is clear that the offenders gain pleasure knowing that their victims are helpless and suffering because of them.
Rape is a distortion of human sexuality. It is sexuality in the service of nonsexual needs. Rape is the sexual expression of hostility and aggression - a behavioral act not a psychiatric condition. Rape typically reflects deep seated feelings of inadequacy.
It is clear that rape is not about sex, sexual arousal, or sexual desire and it is definitely not satisfying any need for sexual frustration. It is a violent hate crime which is motivated by anger, power and control. Rape is used to express aggression in a sexual manner. Rape is about power, control and anger and penetration is merely weapon used to express it.
You assume that all rapists are committing a crime because they are "succumbing to an overwhelming impulse" to have sex. When someone mugs a person on the street for their wallet, we don't usually say that they "succumbed to an overwhelming impulse to possess money." We simply assume that they wanted the money and didn't care about committing a crime or harming someone to get it.
Insisting that there is a sexual component to rape, not only trivializes the brutality of the act itself, but implies that the victim somehow has the power to control the perpetrator of the act.
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Bravo. It needs to be said. I try to explain that to people sometimes but many really do not understand it is an act of violence.
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