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Joe, do you plan to spend $40,000 on a Chevrolet Volt?
I didn't think so. And neither will the rest of America.
Interesting that all so many of the Bush/Cheney supporters are also in agreement with the Saudis on issues. Wow, what lengths you go to for your team. Grow up! Issues such as human rights and energy independence are not to be debated by football game mentality.
One can only get into the head of the OP to determine what the motive was, but here's my take on the OP.
Here we are in 2010 talking (once again) about electric cars being up and coming. However, in 2001 the oil companies do some anti-capitalistic patent trolling to shut down and continue to shut down a battery technology which allowed electric cars to become useful (ie, large scale NiMh batteries).
We could have had electric cars cheap RIGHT NOW, but no. Instead we had to defend and die for our oil supplies for the last decade, got a whole region of people pissed at us, we gave the oil companies hundreds of billions of dollars in profit out of our pockets. And yet, some people on this forum, in the misguided notion of what capitalism and truth is, defends the oil companies for doing this? Like Biden says "is this a joke"? Are we so f'ing gullible to whatever the TV tells us that we will destroy ourselves for some stupid company which does an end-around capitalism to keep it's place in the market?
If you are interested in the truth, why can't we bring the truth out?
I have no problem what so ever with discussing any topic, or this one.
You see, folks will argue for 15 pages over which is the best way to spread butter on toast. Every subject, tiny crumb of news or utterance from any political or notable figure gets put through the wringer here on a daily basis, even when threads are started in a plain informative manner.
If you want to start a thread about oil companies, cartels and tycoons fighting against electric car technology, then be my guest. Starting a thread that says, "Bush's grandmother eats live chickens", then go on to post about egg production in Minnesota is unnecessary and is little more than trolling for a flame war. Part of the forum rules is about using descriptive and accurate thread titles, for obvious reasons.
One can only get into the head of the OP to determine what the motive was, but here's my take on the OP.
Here we are in 2010 talking (once again) about electric cars being up and coming. However, in 2001 the oil companies do some anti-capitalistic patent trolling to shut down and continue to shut down a battery technology which allowed electric cars to become useful (ie, large scale NiMh batteries).
We could have had electric cars cheap RIGHT NOW, but no. Instead we had to defend and die for our oil supplies for the last decade, got a whole region of people pissed at us, we gave the oil companies hundreds of billions of dollars in profit out of our pockets. And yet, some people on this forum, in the misguided notion of what capitalism and truth is, defends the oil companies for doing this? Like Biden says "is this a joke"? Are we so f'ing gullible to whatever the TV tells us that we will destroy ourselves for some stupid company which does an end-around capitalism to keep it's place in the market?
If you are interested in the truth, why can't we bring the truth out?
What a steaming shovelful of horse manure!!!
More wild-eyed accusations without any substantiation whatever.
The OP was asked why his thread title wasn't even REMOTELY ties to the content of the link,...a valid question that has been asked repeatedly by the "MIA" OP. Apparently joejitsue couldn't answer the question,...and neither have you.
There are those of us who are "interested in the truth". When you get around to bringing the "truth" to light, please post some links for review,...not some partisan personal opinion from the left fringe element.
electric cars will not be -viable- until certain things happen
1. they are affordable and sized to the general public....joe public doesnt want to buy a 40k+ mini car that wont carry the family
2. they are -distance- friendly.....if you have a 50 mile commute (think long island (100 miles)) and the electric car only goes 40 miles on a charge, it will be difficult
3. the batteries will last longer (life span, currently 5-7 years) and dont cost 7-10k
4. charging stations are -vastly available-..... I think a good idea would be on the highways where we have the concrete barriers dividers could easily conceal the undergroud wiring and have chargers available every half mile or so...they could even be solar and free
its the same with hydrogen
we need to build the infrastructure up, before the vehicle will be viable
ps:
I remember way, way back...late 60's popular mecahnics had a piec on smart roads,,,having magnetic strips in them, and we would be able to put our vehicles on -automatic drive- which would eliminate traffic problems, crashes, and fuel ecomony problems........the problem....government and the cost of redoing our entire road system.
ps2:
there is also technology about using magnetic levitation
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More wild-eyed accusations without any substantiation whatever.
The OP was asked why his thread title wasn't even REMOTELY ties to the content of the link,...a valid question that has been asked repeatedly by the "MIA" OP. Apparently joejitsue couldn't answer the question,...and neither have you.
There are those of us who are "interested in the truth". When you get around to bringing the "truth" to light, please post some links for review,...not some partisan personal opinion from the left fringe element.
electric cars will not be -viable- until certain things happen
1. they are affordable and sized to the general public....joe public doesnt want to buy a 40k+ mini car that wont carry the family
2. they are -distance- friendly.....if you have a 50 mile commute (think long island (100 miles)) and the electric car only goes 40 miles on a charge, it will be difficult
3. the batteries will last longer (life span, currently 5-7 years) and dont cost 7-10k
4. charging stations are -vastly available-..... I think a good idea would be on the highways where we have the concrete barriers dividers could easily conceal the undergroud wiring and have chargers available every half mile or so...they could even be solar and free
its the same with hydrogen
we need to build the infrastructure up, before the vehicle will be viable
ps:
I remember way, way back...late 60's popular mecahnics had a piec on smart roads,,,having magnetic strips in them, and we would be able to put our vehicles on -automatic drive- which would eliminate traffic problems, crashes, and fuel ecomony problems........the problem....government and the cost of redoing our entire road system.
ps2:
there is also technology about using magnetic levitation
Did you read any of my previous posts? I'll retype some of what I've said:
1. Panasonic large scale NiMh batteries were documented in getting 100-160 miles per charge on both Toyota RAV4 and EV1
2. There's electric RAV4 cars STILL RUNNING TODAY on NiMh batteries even though Cobasys prevents these people from getting new battery packs. I've seen it on the streets of TO, CA WITH MY OWN EYES. That's what, since 2002?
There were (and still are) charging stations at Costco in CA (http://www.beheron.com/Blog_Photos/electric_car_charging_costco.jpg - broken link). I walk by them every time I go there. I'll take pictures of them if you wish...
They've had (past tense) the battery technology you've outlined. Cobasys used anti-capitalistic patent trolling to sit on the tech instead of letting the free market decide if it's good enough.
Actually, the Volt architecture looks interesting and is better than putting strips in roads, although I would want to see real world numbers to back it up. Imagine if they could use the 100 mile-per-charge NiMh batteries with a (bio) diesel based generator? Wave buh bye to oil...
Since some cannot apparently find some of my previous posts, let me reiterate what I've said and post what happened with electric cars back in 1990's / 2000.
1) CA CARB forces car makers to make ZEV cars. GM thinks it's going to be cute and make the EV1 with lead-acid batteries where it gets crappy milage. Then GM and oil companies can say "see, electric cars won't work"
3) (my opinion) GM and oil companies cr@p their pants. Oil companies could potentially lose hundreds of billions of dollars and GM will lose tons of money on vehicle maintenance.
4) GM gives battery patent rights to the oil company (Chevron buys Cobasys). Fox guarding the henhouse anyone? Cobasys immediately sues Toyota and Pansonic and effectively shuts down electric RAV4s and puts a (virtual) freeze on any other companies thinking about electric vehicles.
5) Even today, we're stuck with Lithium based batteries, which have problems with heat, volitility (explodes), lower energy density, and duration. NiMH RAV4s are still running in 2009. The patents are still in effect and even third party Prius plug-in conversions have to dance around the issue or just can't use that type of battery.
Look at my previous posts for links for proof. Everthing I've said is fully documented. If you don't want to believe the truth, I can't help you there. I more than welcome anyone who can prove what I've said above is wrong.
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