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As was said, England's cooler temps are related to the slowing of the Gulf Stream which carried warm water from the Gulf of Mexico to the British Isles. That warm water kept the air warm which gave England a relatively mild climate for it's latitude. The change is related to the melting of the polar ice caps.
Sounds like typical BS that was used to explain manmade CO2 and global warming... can't prove it but that's all you need... slow Gulf stream... pfftt... what will it TAKE to dismiss manmade CO2 and global warming as false, can you answer that? Nothing? Sounds about right...
I am not going there with you because you guys sing the same old Turbin Durbin song. When our brave youung men and women proved we could get the job done in spite of carrying you on their backs you came up with other defeatist resolutions the kinf of which was your new messiah. The smae old defeatest Siren Song,sooo monotonous.
Isolated incidents are not the sole barometer for global warming, but rather an overall trend.
That was the first thought that came to my mind. Well, actually, the first thought was, "Damn, Al Gore is going to get it," but then I said, "Wait a minute, this doesn't really mean too much to give us more evidence to call Al Gore out on his global warming industry concoction."
Temps in Florida will be cold until mid January! It's supposed to be the longest stretch of cold weather Florida has experienced in years. In central and northern Florida, temperatures at nighttime will be around freezing and colder for over week.
I am not going there with you because you guys sing the same old Turbin Durbin song. When our brave youung men and women proved we could get the job done in spite of carrying you on their backs you came up with other defeatist resolutions the kinf of which was your new messiah. The smae old defeatest Siren Song,sooo monotonous.
Because the warming that we have been experiencing over the past 50 years is a significant abnormality when compared to the past million years or so. Something is quite clearly wrong.
Really?
By what method of evaluation are you making this claim?
Would that be using the ice core samples? They do not match your conclusion.
Are you using research from Briffa and Mann? They use dendrochronology (tree ring studies) to establish a correlation, but the problem is that Briffa's research was recently found to be heavily weighted on a very small sampling of trees (around 12) in Yamal to which showed extreme divergence with the other samples creating a heavy bias and is also a problem in the IPCC's graph where it truncates that divergence when comparing reconstructions (it doesn't show the downturn).
Mann also uses tree rings to establish such, but his problem is more specific with attaching the poorly constructed surface records on to his tree ring data to show a strong upturn to hide the divergence that is evident from his tree ring data at that time line.
Also, there has been work published concerning Dendrochronology and its ability to discern any valid correlation to climate. That is, it is unfounded belief that it has any significant relation.
Add in the obvious problems with the research I mentioned from Mann and Briffa and you see tree ring data is not a reliable means of establishing long term climate trends.
Now Ice core data is much better, though its results do not fall into place with the hypothesis of AGW and so is not used as a means to establish long term trends by such positions.
Another interesting issue is that they base their findings on regional strong points and use poor methodology to establish global trends. Which is much like those contesting here concerning regional fluctuation.
So what research are you using to establish this extremely long trend?
As was said, England's cooler temps are related to the slowing of the Gulf Stream which carried warm water from the Gulf of Mexico to the British Isles. That warm water kept the air warm which gave England a relatively mild climate for it's latitude. The change is related to the melting of the polar ice caps.
Explain how it was much, much warmer for centuries, during the Medieval Warming Period, and yet the Gulf Stream did not turn the British Isles into ice cubes. A few short years of small temp spike here and there, is causing the UK to experience this record cold by shutting down the Gulf Stream?
Do you have proof that the saline content of the ocean has been so radically lowered, that it is causing the Gulf Stream to slow?
You need to actualy think thru this propaganda being pushed by the global warming hoaxers before you post, you do not want to come off looking silly.
Between demand for heating oil and economic recovery in China the price of crude oil today surpassed the $80 mark.
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Between demand for heating oil and economic recovery in China the price of crude oil today surpassed the $80 mark.
...and you do not hear a peep out of the democrat congress either. Whatever happened to all the hullabaloo they made in '08 about regulating the oil industry so that oil prices would not rise this high again? The truth is we will long for the days of $3 a gallon if the dems have their way with cap & trade.
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