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Didn't the Republicans just vote against pay-as-you go while at the same time squawking about the need to reduce the deficit?
Of course if you want to keep blaming Democrats...be my guest.
It takes two to tango.
Pay as you go doesn't reduce the deficit.
Every republican in the house and senate could vote no on pay as you go and it wouldn't matter. If democrats wanted to pass it they could. They don't need one single republican vote. It's not that hard to figure out.
Didn't the democrats just recommend freezing future budgets while at the same time increasing the debt ceiling by over 2 trillion dollars? That's responsible legislation. And they did it without one single republican vote.
If they can spend over 2trillion dollars without republican cooperation surely thay can pass health "care" cap and trade and pay as you go and all sorts of other legislation.
Every republican in the house and senate could vote no on pay as you go and it wouldn't matter. If democrats wanted to pass it they could. They don't need one single republican vote. It's not that hard to figure out.
Didn't the democrats just recommend freezing future budgets while at the same time increasing the debt ceiling by over 2 trillion dollars? That's responsible legislation. And they did it without one single republican vote.
If they can spend over 2trillion dollars without republican cooperation surely thay can pass health "care" cap and trade and pay as you go and all sorts of other legislation.
As I said in my earlier post, every Democrat isn't liberal.
Many liberals want single-payer.
Moderate and Conservative Democrats are too bought and sold to consider it.
I'm not a big fan of cap and trade. I think it benefits Wall Street too much.
Would these lobbyists be the people that Obama said wouldn't be allowed in DC after he became President? Somehow I think they are. They must have kicked in a pile of money to be left in business from the way he sounded.
Call him out on that! That's real, it was a promise, and it's something we all want to see happen. You'll get an explanation why, and understand that our government is less in control of it's own damn self than you ever realized. I'm against a corporation writing legislation for itself, how about you? R's & D's are forced to toe the line for these jackals. We the People have to cut the cord of special interest no matter what party we sign up in. Let the ideas stand on merit alone, no more warchests.
As for your other post regarding amnesty-- I think most R's and D's are torn on that issue. I know most are in solid agreement that illegal immigration needs to quit, but how, and how we deal with what pre exists becomes less solid. Pro illegals are very sparse from what I can tell. I know Catholic orgs are bankrolling their defense, but not sure who else. How all that can be blamed on dems or even repubs... McCain did work hard, amnesty was compromise to at least get the ball rolling, and nothing got solved when it was shot down. What do we do next?
I think you read into things people say a little too far in an effort to attack them.
This discussion was in regard to republicans being involved in the policy making procedure. Since they were being refered to as the "party of no", I simply pointed out that if they were simply the party of "no" they wouldn't have their own ideas and a plan posted on their own website. Thus, debunking the party of no nonsense. As far as discussing their plan or anything else regarding republican ideas posted online, this isn't the time nor place and it certainly doesn't fit into this discussion.
As far as fox news. I don't give a rats what you, the president, or anybody else thinks of the reporting that fox does. The second amendment doesn't care either. As long as they carry a badge that says "press", they should be allowed in. What kind of BS is it that you think that a news agency which publishes views you don't agree with shouldn't be afforded the constitutional rights they are guaranteed? Absolutely, 100%, ridiculous.
As far as your claim that their is a conspiracy... prove where I said that.
Personal attack? Call a mod, I believe that's a TOS issue. Lets see if they delete my account.
They are a party of no when they <allegedly> negotiate in good faith then vote against their own writing. That's not negotiating in good faith, it's a stall tactic squandering taxpayer money on BS.
As for FOX, no tin badge saying press allows anyone permission to disrupt the proceedings. A million badges being issued in this country doesn't entitle everyone to a chair. Cspan does a great job. Complain about their off camera time, I agree, that camera should stay ON.
As I said in my earlier post, every Democrat isn't liberal.
Many liberals want single-payer.
Moderate and Conservative Democrats are too bought and sold to consider it.
I'm not a big fan of cap and trade. I think it benefits Wall Street too much.
Of course I'm not a Democrat so...there ya go.
Well I never said you were a democrat. I have no idea what you are.
Neither did I say you like cap and trade.
I said democrats didn't need one single republican vote to pass pay as you go.
And I asked why the democrats say they want a freeze on spending for the next 3 years and then pass a law allowing them to spend an extra 2 trillion dollars? All in the same week. Think they would at least try and fool us.
Personal attack? Call a mod, I believe that's a TOS issue. Lets see if they delete my account.
They are a party of no when they <allegedly> negotiate in good faith then vote against their own writing. That's not negotiating in good faith, it's a stall tactic squandering taxpayer money on BS.
As for FOX, no tin badge saying press allows anyone permission to disrupt the proceedings. A million badges being issued in this country doesn't entitle everyone to a chair. Cspan does a great job. Complain about their off camera time, I agree, that camera should stay ON.
Doesn't matter how they vote. They could all skip the vote and it doesn't matter. Democrats don't need one single vote by a republican to pass anything they want. Not one.
And when did FOX disrupt proceedings? And what proceedings?
As I said in my earlier post, every Democrat isn't liberal.
Many liberals want single-payer.
Moderate and Conservative Democrats are too bought and sold to consider it.
I'm not a big fan of cap and trade. I think it benefits Wall Street too much.
Of course I'm not a Democrat so...there ya go.
You should have said that not every Democrat is a progressive because it is the progressives in the party that want single-payer insurance. When will you realize that single-payer is nothing but government controlled medicine? Socialized medicine has been installed in many countries where progressives haven't gone underground to keep alive. Now they think they are in control and just too many Democrats just aren't progressives.
Did you know that many Republicans are very progressive? Juan McCain is surely one of those but his vote won't be needed to pass amesty for illegals so it won't make any difference when they try to pass it.
Crap and tax will be paid for by we the consumers. The corporations will have to pay originally but they will pass it down and eventually we will get to pay it. They can pass it down but we of the middle class have nobody to pass the cost down to. Hang in there and watch what happens with all this crap that the progressives have finally become strong enough to try to jam down our throats.
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