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Old 02-18-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Because eventually Israel were going to go in, so they had to keep them away. Before 1948 both sides lived in peace until the Zionists started hinting about a Jewish state, things got worse from there.


Because its a thrid world country, what do you expect from third world countries, and also at the time the situations in these countries were bad, and its leaders were struggling to have a good grip over their populations.


So you tell me the Jews in Israel are not rasict? Please stop lying to me, the Zionists in Israel are rasict towards arabs who live in Israel and outside, you can't deny this. Yes some arabs are rasict too, i dont deny that, but a lot of Zionists are the same.

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No, but its true they do get teached that, not everyone tho, but somethings make perfect sense, showing the students the crimes Israeli government commited is not rasict because it just shows us the truth.

This land did not even belong to the Jews only in the first place, the Romans expelled the Jews not the Palestinians, and then the Palestinians came and settled, so why do we displace 750,000 innocent Palestians out of their homes and massacre them in their own villages, while arresting dozens of innocents. They were not responsible for killing 6 million Jews. If the Jews came into Palestine as refugess into the country, instead of taking over the whole country, then they would have been treated with respect, and both sides would be living in peace today.

I will give you one example, the Europeans moved to North America 200-300 years ago, at first these lands belonged to the natives and then they got taken from them by the Europeans, these Europeans settled in the U.S. and Canada, had families, built homes, set up their governments, and they expanded throught the whole country until today. So how would you feel if the Natives today got support from the U.N. to displace the white people, takeover their lands, arrest innocents, massacre some of them, take over everything they owned, and they set up their own government, while the whites are looking for refugee in other countries, how would you feel about that? Wouldn't you resist that? Both sides will suffer dramatically, etc.
Same number of jews were expelled from arab countries..

Israel didn't ask to be attacked in 1948

are you trying to suggest that Israel is the only country that has racist people? All countries have racist people.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:38 PM
 
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I am not promoting an independent Palestinian nation, quite to the contrary, an integrated nation comprising both Palestine and Israel... I wrote that quite clearly.

You think secular jews are going to want to live in a sh ariah state? :lol:
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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Well if you live in America there would be a very high chance that you are not an native american and it is likely if you are an American your ansestors invaded the natives regions and took over their land. Conquest of land has happened all over the world and no nation has ever been immune to that. Even Palestine was invaded by the Arabs and many Arabs from the Islamic conquest settled there when it was occupied by them.

Anyway Israel is here to stay, and despite what happened in 1948, the damage is done and u cant undo so called damage happened there then and give the whole land back to the Palestinians and force the Jews back where there ansestors came from such as Europe, just as you cant unscramble an scrambled egg.
But they still single out Israel.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:41 PM
 
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This is what moved this conflict to a whole another level. Its good that you admit it, i know we can't displace the Jews because they've been living there for 62 years, but at least you acknowledge that the Zionists were the ones who started all this and they're the main reason this oppression is continuing today against the Palestinians, which fuels hate and support for extremist groups like Hamas.
Why do their "arab brothers" keep Palestinians in refugee camps?
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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Let's see. Fundamentalists with opposing views. Will resolution come? Not mutual resolution. It will not as long as each side is loaded with dogma and religious idealism.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Let's see. Fundamentalists with opposing views. Will resolution come? Not mutual resolution. It will not as long as each side is loaded with dogma and religious idealism.
The Israelis are way more secular than the Palestinians.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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Yes, if Jews never existed, there would not be a problem, just like if the Arabs in the region never existed, there would be no problem. Saying the problem is one-sided is absurd and intellectually dishonest. The situation is what it is. So, mrhman92, what do you recommend they do about it?
I would recommend for the Israeli government, to treat the Palestinian people the same way the natives in the U.S. and Canada get treated, then peace will be achieved. Because the Israeli government can support the Palestinian population if they wanted to, but they just want things to stay the same, if you actulley think they cared about peace, then these things would have been acheived long time ago because they have the ability to do that.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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Another Freudian slip. This statement means they came from somewhere else. Before 1948 the Arabs came to work the land the Jews owned. Who filled in all the swamps - the Jews. Who made the land usable for grazing - the Jews. Who put in the the waterways for irrigation - the Jews. Who wants something for nothing - the Palestinians.
Before 1948, Arabs were the majority and they controlled the country, but they weren't oppressing Jews the same way they oppress the Arabs today.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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Same number of jews were expelled from arab countries..
They were not expelled, this was what the Zionists wanted in the first place, at that time the Yemeni imam refused to let the Jews leave for Israel because he preferred for them to stay in Yemen, guess what happend to him? He got assassinated in 1948. What a coincidence ha. A lot of Jews did not want to leave their home countries but they were either tricked or forced to leave.

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Israel didn't ask to be attacked in 1948
The Palestinians didn't give the Israelis the permission to take over their land, displace them, and massacre them.


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are you trying to suggest that Israel is the only country that has racist people? All countries have racist people.
Thats what i exactly said, and what i meant was don't give Israel a blind eye just because they're Israel.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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I would recommend for the Israeli government, to treat the Palestinian people the same way the natives in the U.S. and Canada get treated, then peace will be achieved.
That's because unlike the Palestinians, the north American natives were smart enough to know when to quit. If native Americans started firing rockets into American cities, they'd be finished off in a trice.
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Because the Israeli government can support the Palestinian population if they wanted to, but they just want things to stay the same, if you actulley think they cared about peace, then these things would have been acheived long time ago because they have the ability to do that.
Huh? It's up to Israel now to support the Palestinian population? If they built universities instead of bomb factories and taught their kids science instead of hate, maybe they could support themselves!
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