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Old 02-18-2010, 03:40 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I need a history lesson, well lets go back in history and see who started all of this, The Jews started buying lands from the Palestinians since the end of 1800s, this act was supported by Zionists who lived worldwide, this act was smart but greasy, a lot of Palestinian didn't care at the time because they didn't expect them to takeover the whole country, the Jews kept on buying land until 1948, after Germany was defeated, Palestinians still owned more lands than the Jews did, so the Jews felt that this plan was going to take a long time, then they decided to takeover with the mass influx of Jewish refugees coming into Palestine worldwide. Thats why massacres happened before 1948 because some Palestinians started to realize that their lands were taken by Jews inch by inch for high prices, which most Palestinians could not reject. Also the second reason was some Zionists started hinting about creating a Jewish state within Palestine, and this made the Palestinians even more suspicious.


54 Palestinians got injured from Israeli attacks in 2010 alone, and it was estimated that at least 17 Palestinians got injured from Israeli attacks on weekly bases in 2009



Because their intention is to attack the government soldiers, not like the Zionist government.



A lot more Palestinians got killed and injured from Israeli attacks.





I know they have been putting with that for years, the number of casualties explains a lot:

- 1,441 Palestinian children died since 2000,
- 6,348 Palestinians killed since 2000,
- 39,019 Palestinians injured since 2000

Israel invaded Gaza to secure Shalit and they failed, they killed 1,400 innocent people while using white phosphorus in only 2 weeks, do you know what a white phosphorus? Its chemical that is similar to acid and it burns the body badly, this is a MASSACRE!!, Hamas on the other hand only killed 13 civilians. So please tell me who's the real murderer here.
I see it the same way. Although it might not be politically correct to say this, the mere existence of the state of Israel is wrong and an insult to Palestinians. The predecessor of the UN screwed up by allowing the formation of Israel. The Brits are also to blame for the ongoing mess down there.

There is no justification for the existence of a Jewish state, it is based on Apartheid. Why does the world not support the formation of an independent Basque state in Spain or Biafra state in Nigeria or a Christian state in Southern Sudan? Maybe they need a Holocaust...

Many "Jews" living in Israel and stealing Palestinians' land are from Eastern Europe, they should have stayed where they had been living for centuries.

In my view the only fair solution would be for the world community to undo the Israeli state and only accept a joint Palestinian-Israeli state again, Palestisrael

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Old 02-18-2010, 07:08 AM
 
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There is no justification for the existence of a Jewish state, it is based on Apartheid.
The hypocrisy displayed here is astounding. All of the Arab nations surrounding Israel are under Islamic regimes with NO Jewish representation. Meanwhile Israel has 13 members of Parliament who are Arabs!

Except for Israel, the entire middle east is under Islamic rule and occupied and controlled by Moslems that all want to kill Jews. So here you have a few Jews, who have ALWAYS lived in this region, that want to carve out a tiny piece of this desert for themselves, where they can be safe and raise their families without Arabs trying to kill them, and YOU scream "apartheid"?
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:22 AM
 
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Tiny piece of land? It is a very precious piece of land, a piece of filet with a long Mediterranean coastline, access to the Red Sea, water resources. By Middle Eastern standards it is a very fortunate piece of land, just like Lebanon.

Arabs in Israel have equal rights only on paper, in real life they are doing much worse (poverty, life expectancy, mortality etc.). A couple of alibi posts given to them don't change much about that as long as Arabs don't have anything to say. The demographics are changing quite a bit in favor of Arabs and some Israelis are already warning that the Jewish dominance might be in danger. Of course the Arabs won't leave Israel as within Israel at least they are not subject to invasions and other atrocities without it getting media attention.

I am not saying that surrounding countries like Iran or Saudi-Arabia are any better in this respect. They are also racist Apartheid countries.

Anyway, Israel was designed as a Jewish state from the very beginning. And it is no secret that the so-called exodus of Arabs was a rather forced one. It really is an Apartheid state in my opinion.

Jews have lived there for a long time, sure, but so have others. Nor have they - in their own understanding - always lived there, they took the land from others, which even their Old Testament states. Basically the whole idea behind being Jewish is a kind of racism, thinking they are different from and superior to the people around them based on a book of fairy tales. In reality of course there is nothing special about Jews, they have evolved from the same local pagan population, just like their neighbors.

What would the US do if the UN decided to give, say, Northern California to American Indians and declaring it an independent American-Indian state? Would Washington accept that?
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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Hogwash. There's no moral or any other superiority there. The Jews in Israel simply want to live -- in peace. All of the fighting and expansion beyond the confines of the original border of Israel have been won in wars started by the Arabs. Gaza is on the Mediterranean coast, and the west bank is on the dead sea. Again, the only reason it was split up is because the Arabs refused to live in peace with the Jews. They were killing them from roof tops with snipers.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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Zionism started long before the first war. Don't confuse cause and effect... Jews could have continued to live down there without the formation of a Jewish state, they could have lived together with the Palestinians, but no, they had to have their own state.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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The only reason they needed their own state was because the Arabs were using them for target practice.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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No, Zionism already included the objective of getting a Jewish state based on the assumption Jews used to have one according to the Old Testament, and it started in 19th-century Europe, far away from any Arabs.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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I see it the same way. Although it might not be politically correct to say this, the mere existence of the state of Israel is wrong and an insult to Palestinians. The predecessor of the UN screwed up by allowing the formation of Israel. The Brits are also to blame for the ongoing mess down there.

There is no justification for the existence of a Jewish state, it is based on Apartheid. Why does the world not support the formation of an independent Basque state in Spain or Biafra state in Nigeria or a Christian state in Southern Sudan? Maybe they need a Holocaust...

Many "Jews" living in Israel and stealing Palestinians' land are from Eastern Europe, they should have stayed where they had been living for centuries.

In my view the only fair solution would be for the world community to undo the Israeli state and only accept a joint Palestinian-Israeli state again, Palestisrael

typical antisemite "real" vs not "real" jews... Can't you post a link to your neo nazi or islamist website about khazars?

You're the reason nobody besides idiots takes antisemitic morons seriously.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Zionism started long before the first war. Don't confuse cause and effect... Jews could have continued to live down there without the formation of a Jewish state, they could have lived together with the Palestinians, but no, they had to have their own state.

Do you think the Turks were going to willingly give up the state to the Palestinians?
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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The hypocrisy displayed here is astounding. All of the Arab nations surrounding Israel are under Islamic regimes with NO Jewish representation. Meanwhile Israel has 13 members of Parliament who are Arabs!

Except for Israel, the entire middle east is under Islamic rule and occupied and controlled by Moslems that all want to kill Jews. So here you have a few Jews, who have ALWAYS lived in this region, that want to carve out a tiny piece of this desert for themselves, where they can be safe and raise their families without Arabs trying to kill them, and YOU scream "apartheid"?

Don't try to talk reason to a leftie. They're incapable. The can only emote. HIs arguments are based out of hatred for Jews and Israel.

Notice they don't lose much sleep over Chinese occupation and ivasion of Tibet? It's because the CHinese aren't Jews.
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