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Old 02-03-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I think your exactly right, that the economy is a factor in consumers not wanting to spend when the economy is so down. That is the problem with a lot of the businesses today not enough of spenidng going on. Honestly i wish it would improve.
Kinda hard to spend when you don't have a job....

Let's bring back the well-paying manufacturing jobs that rebuilt our middle class.

I think this whole "let's give small businesses loans" is pretty stupid. We need to stimulate our manufacturing base.

The government needs to give tax credits for green energy: solar panels, wind turbines, etc. and these tax credits need to go to U.S. based manufacturing companies that employ American workers.

We need to impose tariffs on Chinese-made goods and use it to pay down the debt. End the stupid war and use the savings on more worthwhile things than killing people and blowing up stuff.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I think this whole "let's give small businesses loans" is pretty stupid. We need to stimulate our manufacturing base..
I'd rep this if I could. Exactly right. The genie does not go back in the bottle. No one willingly gives up the crack pipe of a broken labor sector. Business can get labor for whatever price they set and even better they can relocate manufacturing whereever it is cheapest. There isn't any tax incentive big enough to offset the savings of outsourcing. All that stimulus money was either returned or went unused because nobody wants it or needs it!!!!!!!!! At a certain point you have to put away the carrot and go get a stick and whale away at that mule [no animals were harmed in this example] until it goes where you need it to go. Only tax havens like Monaco (is it still around?), the Caymans, Costa Rica or Bermuda can do without a healthy manufacturing sector. America is a very big country, big enough to feed and clothe itself. We don't need no stinking globalization. You can't have a trade deficit or accusations of trading unfairness if you don't have any trade.

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Old 02-03-2010, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'd rep this if I could. Exactly right. The genie does not go back in the bottle. No one willingly gives up the crack pipe of a broken labor sector. Business can get labor for whatever price they set and even better they can relocate manufacturing whereever it is cheapest. There isn't any tax incentive big enough to offset the savings of outsourcing. All that stimulus money was either returned or went unused because nobody wants it or needs it!!!!!!!!! At a certain point you have to put away the carrot and go get a stick and whale away at that mule [no animals were harmed in this example] until it goes where you need it to go. Only tax havens like Monaco (is it still around?), the Caymans, Costa Rica or Bermuda can do without a healthy manufacturing sector. America is a very big country, big enough to feed and clothe itself. We don't need no stinking globalization. You can't have a trade deficit or accusations of trading unfairness if you don't have any trade.

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Thank you for not harming the animals. lol.

I agree, we don't need globalization. A lot of the things we consume can be made in this country.

I recently read if say we made our own clothing, we'd be paying around .25 more per shirt. We're selling out our country just to save a few bucks. Sickening.

I think if many people in this country had the money, they'd open their own manufacturing business.

I know I would. There are lots of Americans who want to buy products made in the United States but it's slim pickins'.

China is A HECK of a lot bigger than we are. Let them manufacture their own stuff.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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Target Employee Says 8K Full Timers Will Be Part-Time - The Consumerist

A Target manager named Michael says he was told he was one of 8,000 full-time specialists and team leaders who would be demoted to part-time. Apparently the email went on to say that HR will receive another email within 3-4 months directing stores to reduce current specialist hours to below 32 hours a week. Reason being the company wants to get all the current specs in the company OFF the full time benefits plans to reduce cost. (i.e. health insurance, etc)

Call it what you will but this calls for a public option, exchange, or whatever with a big pool to reduce costs- so that Americans can get affordable and guaranteed coverage. I know too many people who stick with an employer just because of the health coverage and the fear of losing it. Employer based coverage stifles mobility, initiative, and entrepreneurialism.

No the house democrats want it their way or nothing;otherwise the senate bill would only take a vote and not all democrats have to vote yes.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Target Employee Says 8K Full Timers Will Be Part-Time - The Consumerist

A Target manager named Michael says he was told he was one of 8,000 full-time specialists and team leaders who would be demoted to part-time. Apparently the email went on to say that HR will receive another email within 3-4 months directing stores to reduce current specialist hours to below 32 hours a week. Reason being the company wants to get all the current specs in the company OFF the full time benefits plans to reduce cost. (i.e. health insurance, etc)

Call it what you will but this calls for a public option, exchange, or whatever with a big pool to reduce costs- so that Americans can get affordable and guaranteed coverage. I know too many people who stick with an employer just because of the health coverage and the fear of losing it. Employer based coverage stifles mobility, initiative, and entrepreneurialism.
Wrong, this calls for legislation to prevent employers from engaging in such egregious behavior. It has nothing to do with making the public option a viable alternative to bad behavior on the part of corporations.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wrong, this calls for legislation to prevent employers from engaging in such egregious behavior. It has nothing to do with making the public option a viable alternative to bad behavior on the part of corporations.
There are many, many retailers that purposely keep employees under that "magic" number. It's just that target has to demote to get them to part time status. Other companies just make sure their part timers don't get near full time status hours.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There are many, many retailers that purposely keep employees under that "magic" number. It's just that target has to demote to get them to part time status. Other companies just make sure their part timers don't get near full time status hours.
My friend's son used to be assigned 39 hours a week at Best Buy, so he wouldn't qualify for insurance.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Time for who to get a union?
The 8,000 Target Employees who are the subject of this thread
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The 8,000 Target Employees who are the subject of this thread
So that the business can't make necessary adjustments to a changing economy so that it can stay IN business? Would you rather see 8,000 and more employees on unemployment after the stores close their doors?
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: SW Pennsylvania
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I've known people who worked at Target and Wal-Mart and they both are bad. Target may look better on the surface, but it's still retail. Genera;;y retail treats employees badly.

In general, Wal-Mart is a hated company, but many of the same things happen at Target. Wal-Mart is a huge company so it's easy to pick on them.
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