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Old 02-05-2010, 07:24 AM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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How is is that people who say they want less government like the far right want to regulate the rights of women and gay people?

It does not make any sense.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:34 AM
 
Location: ABQ
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The problem is that the Republican party was infiltrated by the Religious Right, Neo-Conservative movement who's goal was to use government to legislate (their) morality. These people are a mixed bag intellectually and philisophically, some claim to want smaller government but truthfully, most don't know what that actually means.

So, in part, you're right, but in part, you're judging actual fiscal conservatives/small government Republicans by the example set by politically-ignorant Neo-Conservatives and that's unfair to real Republicans.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:35 AM
 
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I'm not middle of the road socially, pretty far right fiscally. Gay people deserve all the rights non-gay people have. Women deserve all the rights men have. Men are not allowed to kill unborn babies (you can actually be charged with the death of unborn children), why should women? I can actually go along with abortion in the very early stages, but once the baby has a heartbeat, brain, and functioning organs and could survive out of the womb, its murder, plain and simple.

The government does regulate men's choices in life. I would like to use steroids. I cannot because of government legislation (thanks to McCain and Biden). If a woman decides she is not a woman, but a man stuck in a woman's body, she can get steroids for the rest of her life.

So I know all about choice being regulated and not being able to do what I want with my body. Don't preach to me as if I don't.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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I'm not middle of the road socially, pretty far right fiscally. Gay people deserve all the rights non-gay people have. Women deserve all the rights men have. Men are not allowed to kill unborn babies (you can actually be charged with the death of unborn children), why should women? I can actually go along with abortion in the very early stages, but once the baby has a heartbeat, brain, and functioning organs and could survive out of the womb, its murder, plain and simple.

The government does regulate men's choices in life. I would like to use steroids. I cannot because of government legislation (thanks to McCain and Biden). If a woman decides she is not a woman, but a man stuck in a woman's body, she can get steroids for the rest of her life.

So I know all about choice being regulated and not being able to do what I want with my body. Don't preach to me as if I don't.

COMPARING RECREATIONAL STEROID USE TO PRO CHOICE IS RIDICULOUS!

I got steroid injections in my hands after an injury, it was the only pain remedy available to me. LEGAL steroids are very much a part of modern medicine.

Forcing woman to have children they do not want is too much interference from the government. Many women died before Roe V Wade because they could not get an abortion. I had a neighbor who died trying to get rid of a child she did not want from a man who raped her and she was terrified of telling her husband, before Roe V Wade.

I do not preach, I am only stating the facts. These things cannot be compared.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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The right wing is just that, a right wing. They are not true conservatives in that they want govt. to get involved, just on their side. They do not believe in less govt, otherwise, they would be libertarian, but they can't stomach that.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I think most Republicans want less Government with Economic issues (lower taxes, less regulation). Regulation caused the mortgage mess more than "greedy" bankers. People forget this.

We need to remove abortion from political arguments. Lets just move on. I am against abortion and KNOW it is wrong.... but will gladly vote for a pro choice candidate if he will be fiscally responsible. As a man, can I ever really say that a woman cannot terminate her pregnancy? Not really.

Same with gay marriage. I am against. Marriage has been between a man and a woman for 1,000s of years. This is what I believe. But.... when my co worker wants to marry her partner and tells me she feels it is her civil right and is completely passionate about this, should I really "fight" to stop this?

I am not so sure.

I wish the right and left could find common ground on economic issues and let everything else go!! The debates and the arguments stop progress.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:16 AM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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I wish the right and left could find common ground on economic issues and let everything else go!! The debates and the arguments stop progress.

That is what I would like to see as well! Thank you for that.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:17 AM
 
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Another clueless posting.. Neither one is less government.. they are less federal government.. pro state government..
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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Another clueless posting.. Neither one is less government.. they are less federal government.. pro state government..
That is a clueless statement- if you do not see the relationship than you are in denial of the hypocrisy of the far right who yell less government yet deny gay rights and pro choice.

These things are fundamental to liberty and should not be regulated by the government-federal or otherwise.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Another clueless posting.. Neither one is less government.. they are less federal government.. pro state government..
Bigger state government?! That's ridiculous, it's six of one/half a dozen of the other, only worse without blanket constitutional protections and the various fed agencies that -- sorry -- exist to protect you. And it wouldnt make right wingers any happier.

The OP post - what does make right wingers happy is punishing people for having sex, IMO. The goal of the anti-abortion people isnt so much to save the babies -- you dont see them lining up outside inner city clinics offering to pay the mom for 18 years to have and raise her baby to adulthood -- as it is to make AB illegal. Regarding those who rail about same-sex marriage/gay sex, I think they just cant stop thinking about it.
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