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View Poll Results: Should people have to pass a drug test to recieve welfair benefits?
yes 91 77.12%
no 27 22.88%
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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The average monthly benefit for people receiving Social Security is $1064.00
Source: Monthly Statistical Snapshot, December 2009

How can people making roughly $1k a month be living high on the hog? Even if they have supplemental income they are most likely simply comfortable.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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real world net result: same drug use, except now the welfare recipient spend 30 bucks a week buying urine cleansers. As a result, more complaints to local health officials who eventually demand welfare recipients receive a higher "cost of living" benefit. This is in addition to the tens of millions it will cost to regulate the drug testing.


Remove ones ideology and that is the net result. It's more about "control" than it is about fiscal responsibility. I understand the desire for responsible behavior, but ever seen someone at the supermarket with what was once called "food stamps" purchasing junk food when they are already overweight?

Should we also then ban the purchase of certain food items with government assistance?

Again, it is more about control of the individual choices one makes than about concern for fiscal responsibility. Who knows how people who use drugs spend their money on it? Maybe they went to a party and used it and never purchase drugs. And what drugs should be tested for, specifically narcotics? Is marijuana also going to result in someones temporary financial assistance to be removed for a once off use of drugs at a party?

Where does the government stop legislating personal behavior? Do they also decide what channels they get to watch on T.V.?
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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better question: Should people have to pass a spelling test to post on city-data.com forums?
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The average monthly benefit for people receiving Social Security is $1064.00
Source: Monthly Statistical Snapshot, December 2009

How can people making roughly $1k a month be living high on the hog? Even if they have supplemental income they are most likely simply comfortable.

Most likely not even that comfortable, and getting less so.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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As soon as all politicians have to do the same, as well as be held accountable for taxes, all their business dealings etc............Although in reality random drug test probably violate rights to privacy......school teachers are not tested.....thankfully. we would have none left.
first teachers out the door would be the art teachers (pot) and the coaches (steroids and HGH)
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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As soon as all politicians have to do the same, as well as be held accountable for taxes, all their business dealings etc............Although in reality random drug test probably violate rights to privacy......school teachers are not tested.....thankfully. we would have none left.
Yes - I completely agree that our politicians should be held to a higher standard. Hell, how about the standard that most of us are subjected to?

They should be randomly drug tested and be audited yearly by the IRS prior to taking office, then every year they are in office then randomly for the next twenty years.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Southeast
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Again, it is more about control of the individual choices one makes than about concern for fiscal responsibility. Who knows how people who use drugs spend their money on it? Maybe they went to a party and used it and never purchase drugs. And what drugs should be tested for, specifically narcotics? Is marijuana also going to result in someones temporary financial assistance to be removed for a once off use of drugs at a party?
Testing for the presence of narcotics would probably be best, as they can be the most destructive to an individual and indeed a family. However, keep in mind that many narcotics are perfectly legal, some over the counter and others by prescription. It can be difficult to differentiate between them without a dedicated lab compared to a simple mass spectrometer required to detect the presence of THC.

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Where does the government stop legislating personal behavior? Do they also decide what channels they get to watch on T.V.?
Well, all television programs and movies are required to display a rating, which in turn would hopefully encourage viewer discretion. While not exactly a legislation of personal behavior, it is an established guideline upon which to base your decision.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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Most likely not even that comfortable, and getting less so.
Indeed. Now put that income in context of other threads that ask if an income of $250k/year is "rich"?
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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The average monthly benefit for people receiving Social Security is $1064.00
Source: Monthly Statistical Snapshot, December 2009

How can people making roughly $1k a month be living high on the hog? Even if they have supplemental income they are most likely simply comfortable.
Not to mention the majority of people on SS have medical problems and are taking a variety of medication in the first place.

Cash Assistance used to require a drug test. I'm sure they stopped doing it for a reason. Could have been that it wasn't cost effective after cash assistance became outsourced to a private company to process.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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first teachers out the door would be the art teachers (pot) and the coaches (steroids and HGH)
And then the administrative staff and English teachers:

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