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Old 07-18-2011, 02:52 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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It is up to each person to be worth more, instead of up to everybody else to subsidize the worthless into the middle class. No one should starve to death, so there should be vouchers for subsistence amounts of basic foods. No one should freeze to death, so there should be government housing to offer protection from the elements. No one should die for lack of basic medical care, so basic services should be provided. But no recipient of these things should have it better than the worst-off taxpayer, who is helping to provide them.

What part of the mandate to be valuable to the rest of society, if you want to thrive, is so objectionable?
We do have those programs but we need to expand those programs more since there are still people who work but are living in poverty. Those are all good and we need them but people still need money. Parents need money to clothe their children, people need money to fix their cars when their cars break down or have money to save to retire eventually.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:55 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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There is no welfare without wealth.

How about a "thank you" to all of us high tax payers instead of "f*** y**"?
There is no well paid business owners without the employees.
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Old 07-18-2011, 03:02 AM
 
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There is no well paid business owners without the employees.
It's a codependent relationship.... what's your point?
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Old 07-18-2011, 04:29 AM
 
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We do have those programs but we need to expand those programs more since there are still people who work but are living in poverty. Those are all good and we need them but people still need money. Parents need money to clothe their children, people need money to fix their cars when their cars break down or have money to save to retire eventually.
Well, I have NEEDS to, but it isn't the governments job to provide those needs.
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Well, I have NEEDS to, but it isn't the governments job to provide those needs.
Then whose is it?
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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It's a codependent relationship.... what's your point?
The point is how people keep saying that business owners do not owe their employees anything yet their employees are the reason they make so much money.
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I just do not understand how some people do not care that other people can not make enough to live on. Are people these days that selfish? We are not asking that these people get payed 50,000 a year or anything just enough for basic needs. It is sad how our society has regressed.
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Old 07-24-2011, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I just do not understand how some people do not care that other people can not make enough to live on. Are people these days that selfish? We are not asking that these people get payed 50,000 a year or anything just enough for basic needs. It is sad how our society has regressed.
Yea I think that's what it is too. Most people could care less about how the next man is going to eat...and why are people even suggesting letting the "market determine wages". If it were up to businesses, everybody would be paid $2 an hour...and some companies would still be complaining that that is too high of a wage. It's bad enough companies are lowballing and are offering $30-40k for jobs that require a Masters Degree and 5 years experience nowadays...do people really believe letting corporations determine what someone should be paid is going to fix the economy or help pull people out of poverty? I personally think min. wage should be liveable for the location the person is working in.
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Old 07-24-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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Then whose is it?
Are you serious?! If I have needs, it is up to myself to ensure those needs are met through working to provide money for myself to support businesses who sell the products that meet my needs. Therefore, I support their needs by keeping their business around.

It isn't the GOVTs job to provide houses, clothes, food, homes, insurance coverage, ect.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Are you serious?! If I have needs, it is up to myself to ensure those needs are met through working to provide money for myself to support businesses who sell the products that meet my needs. Therefore, I support their needs by keeping their business around.

It isn't the GOVTs job to provide houses, clothes, food, homes, insurance coverage, ect.

Not when you are working for someone else who decides what to pay you is not up to you. We live in a society and Social Darwinism does not exist here. If you want that you can move somewhere else.
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