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I am not asking you, or anyone else to prove something that cannot be proven.
Like I already told Ray1965, the comment you quoted does nothing but confirm my point. Being an atheist requires faith in a belief you cannot prove.
Being a christian requires faith in a belief you cannot prove.
I have no interest in proving there's no god, I don't have to and really don't care. The idea that anyone has to prove a negative is so ridiculous....but it seems to be all christians got...
If god is real there's a simple way to prove it, have her/him/it ""come on down""""!!!
There is no reason to hide quaking in the shadows....step right up!!!
You seem to assume that atheists spend some time thinking about this. Most of us don't. It is very low down on our scale of interest.
Then you are #3. Yes, I am aware there are different kinds of atheists, and some simply don't spend much time thinking about it, while others spend a lot of time defending their non-belief.
Being a christian requires faith in a belief you cannot prove.
Faith is faith. You need faith to believe in something you cannot see.
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I have no interest in proving there's no god, I don't have to and really don't care. The idea that anyone has to prove a negative is so ridiculous....but it seems to be all christians got...
No, I said the opposite. I specifically said I am NOT asking anyone to prove a negative, I simply said it cannot be proven, and therefore it requires faith to believe your position. I am not sure why you are offended by the fact that you were shown that even you have faith in something, even if is not God.
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If god is real there's a simple way to prove it, have her/him/it ""come on down""""!!!
I believe He will come down.
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There is no reason to hide quaking in the shadows....step right up!!!
I suggest that this thread either be closed or moved to the religion forum.
While the thread started out asking an arguably political question, it has largely devolved to a series of assertions and counter-assertions concerning the existence of a god that some of the participants believe in.
I suggest that this thread either be closed or moved to the religion forum.
While the thread started out asking an arguably political question, it has largely devolved to a series of assertions and counter-assertions concerning the existence of a god that some of the participants believe in.
In other words, what's the point?
So are these the kinds of threads that proliferate in the religion forum? Well good to know I don't waste my time over there!
Yes, God would have to open their hearts first. I also believed, before I saw the evidence, and seeing the evidence only confirmed what I already knew to be true.
Yeah, exact same thing devout Hindus (1 billion of the world's population) would say about Brahma and his many, many incarnations... except Hindus will go to unbelievable lengths to prove their devotion, starving themselves practically to death, giving up all property and living in the forest to be one with their god(s).
Same thing a devout Muslim would say of Allah, some would (and I don't mean this offensively or jokingly) even commit suicide happily to show the depth of their belief.
Same thing a Jew would say of god, believing that he has yet to send any prophet.
Same thing a Shintoist would say about the spirits they believe in.
I'd go on, but I think I've gotten my point across.
Every religion, and there are many with millions to billions of followers, has their devout members who believe every bit as strongly as you believe in your god in theirs. Fact is, you were indoctrinated to believe at a young age which is why you don't approach it skeptically. If you were born in Central India to a Hindu family you'd be just as religious and just as convinced you were right, but it would be Brahma and his thousands of incarnations you'd be praying to and it would be reincarnation you'd be seeking rather than heaven.
If you were born in Thailand you'd be just as devout, but for Theravada Buddhism, You'd be seeking Nirvana.
If you were born in Saudi Arabia you'd feel this way about Muhammed.
It's all an accident, it's just that you happened to be born likely to a religious family in a religious area so you were raised not to question and to accept and you became devout. If you happened to be born to a religious family in a country with another major religion you'd be just as devout and convinced, but you'd believe in a completely different religion and look at Christianity the way you probably look at Hinduism.
Nothing in your post answers my question, which is about logical discussion rather than preacher talk.
I did answer it . I said there are good Christians and also those who are wolves in sheeps clothing that go to the same churches.. it is God who sees the heart of each one individually. Those on the 700 club are just the same.. good and wolves.. God sees the intent of the heart. Not I.
I did answer it . I said there are good Christians and also those who are wolves in sheeps clothing that go to the same churches.. it is God who sees the heart of each one individually. Those on the 700 club are just the same.. good and wolves.. God sees the intent of the heart. Not I.
Actually, the questions were:
- Do you believe we have that problem in our country today?
- And how widespread do you believe it is?
- Would likes of Pat Robertson fit the bill?
If those questions were asked of me, my answer would be yes, exhaustive and yes, respectively. Because, if not for that in vogue, we would believe in religious beliefs being very personal matter that promotes secular governance and ensure personal freedoms. Whereas, what we see is a full page ad in newspapers printed as if it were a regular editorial/news piece, run by religious zealots, trying to force religion into politics (and yes, I saw one last week).
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