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The fourth rule, Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
Conservatives have a tendency to try to win every debate with logic and recitations of facts which all too often fail to get the job done because emotions and mockery are often just as effective as logic.
You surely are not listening to the same bunch of GOPers hear every day in the media. THOSE SPOKESPEOPLE FOR THE SUPPOSED "CONSERVATIVE CAUSE", Have absolutely zero logic behind anything they say, I have never heard a single fact from them because their default position is THE LIE.
I'm sure there are some bona fida conservatives in the USA but they are not in the GOP.
I'm just fine with mocking their idocy. You can't debate them with facts because fact don't exist for them. If they need a fact they just make one up.
Listen, I watched, listened and fact checked every single one of the GOP nomination debates. Truth of any kind was as rare as hen's teeth even among themselves!!! They deserve every single ounce of ridicule they get and then some.
Most people would probably consider me a liberal, or perhaps a progressive, although I would probably (and begrudgingly) admit that age has made me a bit more conservative in regard to some issues (e.g., gun control, death penalty). In the past, I have had many a contentious exchange with conservatives - not surprising, considering the often polarized nature of various viewpoints.
While some of these discussions have been heated, by and large, they have stayed on topic. For the most part, I do not remember any name-calling or anyone making low-class personal jabs. I will say that I am aware of a certain recency bias nor did I keep a written record. Thus, I can not make a definitive assessment but must simply voice my impressions.
I have also repeatedly read complaints from conservatives that a frequent liberal approach to dealing with opposing opinions is to resort to personal attacks. For the most part, I considered these complaints mere exaggeration or thought that such tactics are fair game since I assumed that both "sides" engaged in this activity. I am sure I have done my share of it as well but when I have done this to conservatives, I don't think I ever received a personal insult in return.
That said, I can wholeheartedly proclaim to conservatives that I feel your annoyance with some liberals. I have been able to post a few responses over the last few weeks that quickly elicited the very personal and emotional attacks that you complain about.
Not only were these attacks completely unwarranted, but they were overly rude, tried to attack my emotions, and were aimed at insulting me. Sweeping negative judgements were passed about my person, my mental well-being, my reasoning abilities, my right to live, my professional capabilities, my right to procreate, etc. This is in stark contrast to attacks on an opinion, perception, or interpretation of events. In short, the responses posted by these "liberals" were absolutely despicable.
It has been my experience that it takes some time to fully perceive the tenor of C-D in toto. Threads which begin with "I'm really a _____, BUT..." pop up and generally originate with the sole intent of providing a place for posters to then attack the group that was specified. Since you're new here, I thought perhaps you might be unaware of the practice.
Are you trying to insinuate that all liberals act like this, and no conservatives do?
No.
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Ever seen what Conservatives on this board call gays or supporters of gays? Are you sure the people who called you those things are even liberal, seeing as I've never seen any liberal on this board state those kinds of things. I have seen many conservatives, however.
Yes. I support gay marriage and I have not been called a name by conservatives on this board although there is no question that homosexual behavior gets its fair share of negative comments.
I hope you weren't surprised by this. There's nothing open-minded or tolerant about liberals. The term is so poorly used in this context, as it historically refers to people who are anti-authoritarian yet everything that liberals support involves more and more government control of our lives. If you think liberals are compassionate, look up the comments of an old article about President Bush (41) being in the hospital or any prominent conservative passing away.
You have to realize that it's the mob mentality/group think mindset that gives liberal politicians the ability to win elections. Books have been written about this, including one by Anne Coulter (Demonic?) and another by Ben Shapiro (Bullied). The way liberals win is to stifle debate and smear their opponents. Their policies have failed in Europe, South America, the Soviet Union and in deep blue states including Obama's own IL. Big government is what ruined California.
Liberals tow the party line. When deficits were bad (but not insane) under GWB, it was a huge problem. Now that deficits are disastrous under Obama, not a peep. If you approach policy analytically, I don't see how you can be a liberal so it's all based on emotion and demonization of one's opponents. It's not so much that they want to demonize their opponents but they really want to destroy and silence them so that the truth about their liberal policies doesn't see the light of day.
Liberals supposedly care for the poor, but the poorest urban areas have been run (into the ground) for liberals for decades. It's all lies; it frustrates me that anyone would buy this snake oil. Look how they treat members of their supposedly favored groups (African Americans, Hispanics, women, etc) who are conservative (Allen West, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, etc.). There's nothing open-minded, tolerant or compassionate about liberals. If you truly understand this and the fact that they'll stop at nothing to advance their agenda, none of their actions will surprise you. They're very predictable.
To me, there is an important difference: Not agreeing with somebody's political views can result in criticism of this view, or it can result in personal attacks. Both sides are, by nature, hypocritical since we all employ our personal biases and interpret information within a (usually) confirmatory framework.
Does not agreeing with you warrant that I argue the point? Absolutely!
Does not agreeing with you warrant that I call you names? Hardly!
That is the intent of the person who threw the insult. First it most likely made them feel better about themselves and you are right I could fall for the bait and take my mind off the subject being debated or stop discussing the subject.
I have no doubt that, for some, this is a conscious strategy. For others, this just seems to be a more subconscious motive.
Liberals come in different forms just like conservatives do. They do not all think alike. I know liberals that, for example, are very anti abortion and I know conservatives that think things like abortion and homosexuality are the business of the individual and not the state.
Agreed - yet it is so much more convenient to use a broad brush and generalize...
Oh brother. You must not be talking about this forum. I could call out certain people on here who are consistently obnoxious, infantile & rude & they are conservatives.
Me too - but they have not resorted to personal attacks against my person.
Me too - but they have not resorted to personal attacks against my person.
I have. I'm sure I've done it too. But to place the blames purely on liberals, especially if we're talking about this forum, is pretty laughable, hey?
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