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Old 03-17-2010, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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And that's what I've been hearing from physicians!! So basically there would be more patients and less doctors. That's just great!

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CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Health-Care Reform Bill Passes, According to Survey Reported in New England Journal of Medicine (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812 - broken link)

Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Health-Care Reform Bill Passes, According to Survey Reported in New England Journal of Medicine
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
By Christopher Neefus


(CNSNews.com) - Nearly one-third of all practicing physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.



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The key findings of the survey can be found here.
I do not believe it will happen. Not one third. EVER. However:

1. The quacks, and there are quite a few, need to leave the profession anyway.

2. You don't want a physician who is in the profession for the money, and there are a few. I maintain a list of physicians that I do not want near me in my wallet.

3. The physicians who are actually passionate about their work will not leave. Those are the ones you want taking care of you.

4. What are the ones who'd leave going to do? I don't know of too many professions that can accommodate their egos.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Originally Posted by Kappy1 View Post
And that's what I've been hearing from physicians!! So basically there would be more patients and less doctors. That's just great!

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CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Health-Care Reform Bill Passes, According to Survey Reported in New England Journal of Medicine (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812 - broken link)

Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Health-Care Reform Bill Passes, According to Survey Reported in New England Journal of Medicine
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
By Christopher Neefus


(CNSNews.com) - Nearly one-third of all practicing physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.



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The key findings of the survey can be found here.
They are going to leave? Just like Rush Limbaugh is going to leave?

Sure thing....
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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So the question is.... should I begin addressing Walmart greeters as "Dr" being that they no longer are doctors? What is the protocol?
Just stay out of WALMART altogether, BUY AMERICAN
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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So this survey is kind of a hoax. Big surprise!

Media falsely attribute doctor survey to New England Journal of Medicine | Media Matters for America

Another big surprise:

Media falsely attribute survey to The New England Journal of MedicineBill O'Reilly: Survey was "published by The New England Journal of Medicine, a prestigious magazine." On the March 16 edition of his Fox News show, Bill O'Reilly said, "A new survey published by The New England Journal of Medicine, a prestigious magazine, says that nearly half of primary care doctors in America could leave the medical profession if Obamacare is passed."

It'd be nice to see some original thinking from some of these posters sometimes.
And what part are you having problem with? It WAS published in the NEJM. It was never claimed that it was conducted by them, simply deemed an adequate survey to warrent publication in the premiere Medical Journal.
Not sure what your "aha!" moment is.
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Hawaii
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Let me see; since no one has read the bill perhaps physicians are concerned...let's do one of the regulations to come with this:

A fine will be accessed if your PCP refers more then x amount of patients to specialist per year...hmmm. And please don't do the humanitarian Gandhi thing with me. Real physicians have real costs.

They've dreamed up all kind of things.

Has anyone been paying attention? What do you think is in the bill? It will open up a new medicaid program stealing half the cost from Medicare (unless you've cut a deal and made your state/union exempt). They put the doctor fix in the job's bill so it would appear that the numbers ($) went down.

Now no ones going to vote because they will deem it already voted on! Are you kidding?

I have never seen anyone as uptight as Obama was, trying to dodge Brett Baier's questions on Fox News Special Report.

Yes; that's how desperate Obama is. He went on Fox News.

Perhaps a ride for everyone on Air Force One; (now that's being cost effective) after all, it's on us.
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:20 AM
 
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While 1/3rd might seem steep, we will lose many of the best doctors out there. We will also lose many of the best future doctors-to-be.

I'm sorry, but while many doctors might not be "in it for the money" if you take away a sizeable chunk of their incomes... why did they spend 10+ years in college/residency? Why did they take the gamble of going into a ridiculous amount of debt just to stay afloat?

To help people? I'm sure that is true for many of them. But, while some doctors will work on a few patients pro bono, they don't want to see themselves devalued so greatly. If I was a doctor, I'd want to be on that upper crust. The big house, fancy car, exotic vacations, cash to put your kids through the best schools... that all comes with it. Why go through the trials of becoming a doctor if there is no payday at the end?

Because they are good people? Many of them are. Each of us would feel pretty pissed off if our salaries were cut with no help of recovery. We might switch jobs/careers. Now imagine if you invested as much time as a doctor did into his/her career?

And what of the bright kids destined to be the next generation of doctors? That nice payday is the extra enticement. They'll surely pick something else, leaving the lesser candidates to graduate med school and cut my artery on the operating table.
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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This is horrible, think of the closed golf courses, Mercedes aand BMW Dealers boarded up, Gourmet Resturants closed, and all those unemployed Trophy Wives
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is horrible, think of the closed golf courses, Mercedes aand BMW Dealers boarded up, Gourmet Resturants closed, and all those unemployed Trophy Wives
your talking about plastic surgens which has nothing to do with any health insurance law
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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And what part are you having problem with? It WAS published in the NEJM. It was never claimed that it was conducted by them, simply deemed an adequate survey to warrent publication in the premiere Medical Journal.
Not sure what your "aha!" moment is.
From the link:

In fact, NEJM says that the 3-month-old email "survey" was not published in or conducted by NEJM.

The big "aha" moment was that Bill O'Reilly, liar extraordinaire, said the NEJM published it. Ironically, he said this the day this thread popped up here. Some of the RWs don't think for themselves.
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Old 03-18-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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Physician Survey: Health Reform’s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care (http://www.nejmjobs.org/rpt/physician-survey-health-reform-impact.aspx - broken link)

Page from the March-April edition of the NEJM.

Back to the OP...stated that the survey was published IN the NEJM. Not conducted by, not published by...published IN. True.

Bill O'Reilly said it was published BY NEJM. Again, it was published IN. Semantics? Hey, if you need the 'gotcha' moment, have at it.
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