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See I dont get it. I dont understand someone wanting gov telling them what they can and cant do.
Example telling someone how tall their grass can be. Where they can and cant put a flag or ribbons on trees. Telling me I must buy this or I must do that or I will have to pay a fine. I dont understand someone not wanting to make their own choices.
Is that what this is about? Government is the last tool you have to make a middle class life possible.
The best interests of the owner/employers/executives is served by minimizing your salary, your benefits, your working conditions, and really, anything else that you can put a dollar on.
You are free to have no health insurance.
You are free to work 50 hours a week for the same pay you'd get under 40 hour work weeks which coincidentally have not increased in any meaningful manner in 30 years.
The point is that our government is your government and you have a voice in it. One would thing you'd want health insurance that's affordable, or safety net programs like Soc. Sec. and Medicare. Or a pay grade level that doesn't require your wife to have a job just to make ends meet.
If you feel that all of that is nothing but gov. coercion, then you are not operating under your own self-interest.
It's in the nature of the financial elites to maximize profit at all costs--that means control of the market, bargaining and ultimately you, the laborer.
See I dont get it. I dont understand someone wanting gov telling them what they can and cant do.
Example telling someone how tall their grass can be. Where they can and cant put a flag or ribbons on trees. Telling me I must buy this or I must do that or I will have to pay a fine. I dont understand someone not wanting to make their own choices.
The left wing socialist collectivist liberals are frightened because they cannot throw slogans to dissuade the Tea Party Patriots.
Frankly, you can deflect any leftist slogan with the proper preface.
"No one should suffer because they lack {fill in the blank}," must be prefaced with "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that..."
Slavery is never an acceptable remedy to the ills of mankind.
Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.
Robbing St. Peter to pay St. Paul is not "Christian" charity.
No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that...
No one should lack health care.
No one should lack education.
No one should lack housing.
No one should lack food.
If the left forswear government sponsored theft, then they'd have to change their ideology.
Socialists want to donate "other people's wealth" to their favorite causes.
Frankly, if they were true philanthropists, there are countless charities and religious groups they could donate their own time, treasure and talent to.
But for some reason, you don't see them there...
Anarchy is the absence of law - law that protects property rights.
Socialism is anathema of property right law.
Socialists are thieves, seeking to dispossess one for the benefit of another.
Socialists are slavers, using bafflegab and deception to hide their true intent.
Under the republican form of government, promised in Article 4, Sec. 4, USCON, the people are the sovereigns.
If each individual is sovereign, then there is no anarchy possible, for the sovereign is the source of all law.
That this generation is wholly ignorant of that fact, is a great victory for the propaganda ministry. It only took 3 generations to erase it from the people's memory.
"GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
A republican form is NOT a democracy.
"DEMOCRACY - That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 432
In the republican form, the people are sovereigns - individually - and their rights are not at risk from any majority in government.
In the democratic form, the whole body of citizens are collectively sovereign, and the majority overrides the minority.
If you doubt the sovereignty of the American people let me direct your attention to these:
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
And I know most Americans haven't been informed that they volunteered to be subject citizens.
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
American nationals were born with the potential to become sovereigns, absolute rulers over their personal domain, kings without subjects - - - until they surrendered it.
When the USA collapses, I fear that the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America will replace the republican form.
Our descendants may curse our memory, for squandering the most precious endowment from the Creator.
Why is the Left so afraid of the Tea (Taxed Enough Already) Party movement?
Obama and his dim leaders (And kool-aid drinkers) are throwing everything they can at these average, freedom-of-speech loving Americans.
What you call "throwing everything they can at these average, freedom-of-sppech loving Americans" I call correcting the facts, misinformation and out-right lies that the Tea Partiers throw around.
Anarchy is the absence of law - law that protects property rights.
Socialism is anathema of property right law.
Socialists are thieves, seeking to dispossess one for the benefit of another.
Socialists are slavers, using bafflegab and deception to hide their true intent.
Under the republican form of government, promised in Article 4, Sec. 4, USCON, the people are the sovereigns.
If each individual is sovereign, then there is no anarchy possible, for the sovereign is the source of all law.
That this generation is wholly ignorant of that fact, is a great victory for the propaganda ministry. It only took 3 generations to erase it from the people's memory.
"GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
A republican form is NOT a democracy.
"DEMOCRACY - That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 432
In the republican form, the people are sovereigns - individually - and their rights are not at risk from any majority in government.
In the democratic form, the whole body of citizens are collectively sovereign, and the majority overrides the minority.
If you doubt the sovereignty of the American people let me direct your attention to these:
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
And I know most Americans haven't been informed that they volunteered to be subject citizens.
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
American nationals were born with the potential to become sovereigns, absolute rulers over their personal domain, kings without subjects - - - until they surrendered it.
When the USA collapses, I fear that the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America will replace the republican form.
Our descendants may curse our memory, for squandering the most precious endowment from the Creator.
Our government is a democratic republic. It's an indirect democracy which elevates the rights of the minority to avoid tyranny of the majority.
"When the USA collapses...". Do you really believe that or are you engaging in hyperbolic statements to make some sort of point?
Right now at this moment in history, labor (middle class and below) need big government to slice up the economic pie in a more equitable manner so that our country doesn't resemble a two-bit thirdworld arrangement where labor works for food while a very small minority watches its worth increase exponentially.
Because we're not dealing with pot-smoking hippies here. A lot of teabaggers are armed to the teeth and they are prone to racist and violent attitudes. Remember, Tim McVeigh would be joining the Tea Party movement today. It's not fear of their political influence, but of their actions in terms of harming others.
At least pot smoking hippies had actually read a book.
(Sarah Palin's bio whatever doesn't count)
yes, but you know how much do right-wingers like to bash liberals as "pot-smoking, treehugger, muslim-loving, whatever... hippies". I was just using their typycal labelling
See? That's no fantasy. That's tea baggers so mud dumb stupid that they have no idea what TX's secession from the US means. I believe that's conclusive evidence that these people have no idea what they are protesting. It seems to me that their guy lost the election and they can't cope.
So they engage in the hallmark of Tea Party Protests: the gathering of buffoons, fools and ignoramuses to celebrate their collective ignorance with futile gestures of protesting taxation with representation, secession and blatant racism.
I'm all for debating the proper marginal tax rates, but these idiots are not apt for rational debate b/c they lack earnestness of purpose, a fundamental education and/or average intelligence.
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