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That's very suprising you hold a degree to me. Because of all the right wing posters here I would lump you in with the biggest group that doesn't know much about the issues. You're great at reciting right wing story lines. But when it comes to details about issues you are absent. Maybe you are not as sharp as you once were?
I have been called a moron, and an idiot today and now you are saying that my mind has slipped. Do you think there is any other reason I do this game playing other than to keep it working?
Please try to hold back on that sore loser crap until more of what was passed because it was bought and paid for with back room deals becomes public. I think that you will be one of the very first to realize what has been done to us because you aren't one of the tools of the left. Honestly, I think that many will be just as unhappy with this as I am right now once they learn what has happened.
Lets talk about the last "deal" that got it through the House, the use of an unconstitutional method to say that abortions won't be paid for. If The Man can wipe out part of a bill with an Executive Agreement he can wipe out the Executive Agreement with another one.
The Constitution says that all bills must be in the same form before the President can sign them into law. Is this one in the same form today as it was Christmas day? Nope, so the Constitution was pitched on the bone pile when Obama signed a bill not ready to be signed. It is too bad that that had to happen just to get his signature bill but we are now all tools of the progressives in the White House.
Case in point.
You have no idea what you are talking about here.... Exectutive Agreement?
Do you mean executive order? And it's unconstitutional?
The exectuive order he issued about the abortion rules merely reinforces existing law.
I'd think your fellow right wingers are just to embarrassed to point this out to you.
Stop worrying about roysoldboy and where he got his masters and how smart he is and start thinking about how much of the private industry is now under government regulation. Further more consider the steps taken to get it all under government control.
Off the top of my head and I doubt I list them all
Fannie Mae
Banking
Auto Industry
Health Care
Student Loans
(what did I forget to list?)
It should come out to about 65% of the private consumer industry will all be government regulated along with mandates to the consumer on what they can and can not do with the money they earn in the work place.
Now 'socialism' or 'capitalism'? Where do you want this country to wind up? Totally under government thumb or totally under the people.
If people do not see this country is headed for socialism government control some thing is wrong. If people see it and it doesn't scare them, again something is wrong.
Shoot, we may as well go back to the British rule and the royal empire at this point, because this is what the people want. The Boston Tea party was all for nothing and means nothing today, so it appears.
The 65% private industry government ruled is what the people who are 65 and over do not want. They see us joining globally with the Universal Health care and not being any different from any other country in the world. (Free speech will be next, they're already working on it)
We use to take pride in being independent and different. Now, we all want to be the same as every one else.
Did we gain a right to health care (civil movement) or did the government gain a right to mandate our earnings spent?
When it jumps up and bites that this is not good, by then it will be too late.
In the beginning we told the government. Now the government tells us. No one sees anything wrong with the picture? or can you not stop bickering about a person's education long enough to consider what each of these moves mean to us on a more personal level.
Under socialism every one works for the government. If a person is a scientist that person works for a the government...doctor? government, laborer---stand in line to get the loaf of bread. Every thing is provided for you stamp paid by the government, even your home, belongs to---the government. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
It should come out to about 65% of the private consumer industry will all be government regulated along with mandates to the consumer on what they can and can not do with the money they earn in the work place.
All the industries you listed have been regulated for decades, additionally there is a big different between an industry being regulated and an industry being run by the government. The size of the government as a percentage of total GDP has been very consistent over the last 50 years. It has moved between around 18%~22% of total GDP, the current health care bill will increase this figure by around 1%.
Shoot, we may as well go back to the British rule and the royal empire at this point, because this is what the people want.
People want to be ruled by a foreign monarchy?
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Originally Posted by actonbell
Under socialism every one works for the government.
May I suggest you actually read about socialism? Socialism is really a set of philosophies rather than a single ideology and "everyone works for the government" is not one of its tenets.
But this socialism boggy-man nonsense is irrelevant in the first place, the issue is how exactly we fix our health care system. Do you have any suggests on how to do this without regulation or government intervention?
All the industries you listed have been regulated for decades, additionally there is a big different between an industry being regulated and an industry being run by the government. The size of the government as a percentage of total GDP has been very consistent over the last 50 years. It has moved between around 18%~22% of total GDP, the current health care bill will increase this figure by around 1%.
May I suggest you actually read about socialism? Socialism is really a set of philosophies rather than a single ideology and "everyone works for the government" is not one of its tenets.
But this socialism boggy-man nonsense is irrelevant in the first place, the issue is how exactly we fix our health care system. Do you have any suggests on how to do this without regulation or government intervention?
I don't have but just a minute so this is a quick post and go...
but yes on the last question:
Reform the Medicaid (or is it Medicare, I get the two confused) to increase
the help and to stop the abuse on over spending of the program(s).
Now that is a reform the American people can get behind because it is an actual reform per to the meaning of the word.
What are they really doing and why?
While Obama was busy bailing out, why did he not bail out the programs in place?
Question on socialism, so Germany under Hitler was not socialism?
Absolutely. What's also ridiculous is that "the will of the people" kicked Republicans out in 2006 and 2008. Democrats are just doing what their constituents elected them to do.
If Republicans are unhappy, perhaps they should stop with the hysterics and the name-calling, and focus on the November elections. They can win, but not if their behavior turns off moderate Americans throughout the next few months. They look like childish sore losers right now.
Yeah, them teabagging, racists, hate mongering, republicans who want people without health care to die and suffer while they live of the deaths of those they walk on should just stop being the stupid backwards hillbilly religious nut cases they are and stop all the name calling and hysterics! Honestly, its immature! The audacity of them I tell ya!
This demonstrates how idiotic people in this country are. They immediately label everything "socialism" without even comprehend how their current benefits work or what's in the plan.
The people aren't idiots, many do not want their boat rocked. Whether they work for the Fed or large businesses with good benefits or old folks who feel they've earned theirs so don't mess with it. That's why there is a disconnect.
Yeah, them teabagging, racists, hate mongering, republicans who want people without health care to die and suffer while they live of the deaths of those they walk on should just stop being the stupid backwards hillbilly religious nut cases they are and stop all the name calling and hysterics! Honestly, its immature! The audacity of them I tell ya!
Some more made up left wing loon numbers. Clearly, the polls indicate that the people were against this bill, people are against the bribes and back room deals. That is NOT representative of the will of the people.
Stop worrying about roysoldboy and where he got his masters and how smart he is and start thinking about how much of the private industry is now under government regulation. Further more consider the steps taken to get it all under government control.
Off the top of my head and I doubt I list them all
Fannie Mae
Banking
Auto Industry
Health Care
Student Loans
(what did I forget to list?)
It should come out to about 65% of the private consumer industry will all be government regulated along with mandates to the consumer on what they can and can not do with the money they earn in the work place.
Now 'socialism' or 'capitalism'? Where do you want this country to wind up? Totally under government thumb or totally under the people.
If people do not see this country is headed for socialism government control some thing is wrong. If people see it and it doesn't scare them, again something is wrong.
Shoot, we may as well go back to the British rule and the royal empire at this point, because this is what the people want. The Boston Tea party was all for nothing and means nothing today, so it appears.
The 65% private industry government ruled is what the people who are 65 and over do not want. They see us joining globally with the Universal Health care and not being any different from any other country in the world. (Free speech will be next, they're already working on it)
We use to take pride in being independent and different. Now, we all want to be the same as every one else.
Did we gain a right to health care (civil movement) or did the government gain a right to mandate our earnings spent?
When it jumps up and bites that this is not good, by then it will be too late.
In the beginning we told the government. Now the government tells us. No one sees anything wrong with the picture? or can you not stop bickering about a person's education long enough to consider what each of these moves mean to us on a more personal level.
Under socialism every one works for the government. If a person is a scientist that person works for a the government...doctor? government, laborer---stand in line to get the loaf of bread. Every thing is provided for you stamp paid by the government, even your home, belongs to---the government. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
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