MAX- What a joke (Portland, Beaverton: best cities, taxis, to live)

[danwilsonbsee]

Originally Posted by bledsoe3

This is the same as any business that closes at a given time. Remember when Home Depot tried staying open 24 hours? At some point you have to look at return on investment. If it was your business and it was losing money by staying open too late, you would close it earlier.

About 60% of TriMets income is from payroll tax. When unemployment is this high, they don't have the money to keep trains out late to pick up a few riders up from the airport (or anyplace for that matter). Same for the bus lines. The low ridership lines had to be cut. The money the buses collect in the fare-box doesn't even cover the cost of fuel.

A fair point - but if I was willing to purchase a Max ticket at the airport for a train @ 11:20 I'd still be purchasing that ticket if the train left @ 12:00am.

/I've duplicated your unnecessary bold text and underlining for emphasis

[EnricoV]

Originally Posted by danwilsonbsee

A fair point - but if I was willing to purchase a Max ticket at the airport for a train @ 11:20 I'd still be purchasing that ticket if the train left @ 12:00am.

/I've duplicated your unnecessary bold text and underlining for emphasis

So, you think everyone who works on the MAX lines should stay on the job (with pay, of course) an extra hour so that you can buy a $2. ticket a couple times a year?

[bledsoe3]

Originally Posted by danwilsonbsee

A fair point - but if I was willing to purchase a Max ticket at the airport for a train @ 11:20 I'd still be purchasing that ticket if the train left @ 12:00am.

/I've duplicated your unnecessary bold text and underlining for emphasis

Since it's all about you, maybe TriMet could send a town car for you. It would be cheaper then scheduling trains for a few late night stragglers.

Originally Posted by EnricoV

So, you think everyone who works on the MAX lines should stay on the job (with pay, of course) an extra hour so that you can buy a $2. ticket a couple times a year?

+1
Return on investment.

[danwilsonbsee]

Originally Posted by bledsoe3

Since it's all about you, maybe TriMet could send a town car for you. It would be cheaper then scheduling trains for a few late night stragglers.




+1
Return on investment.

and the missing the bus award goes to bledsoe (or in this case missing the Max). If the Max is already such a pig of an investment, why not dip a little deeper in the red to accommodate later flights? Sorry for stating what irritates me about the system. In the future I'll make sure to never state observations about what I would like to see happen. I will just sit and accept whatever situation I am presented with without complaint. It's not like my opinion will be used to make a decision, but thanks for cutting it down anyway.

[bledsoe3]

Originally Posted by danwilsonbsee

If the Max is already such a pig of an investment, why not dip a little deeper in the red to accommodate later flights?

Maybe they can cut a few more jobs to make that happen.

[Urbanlover85]

I really don't think its too big of a stretch to think MAX should run at least one later train to accommodate all of the flights that arrive late. Again, there are several of them. We're not just talking about a flight or two. All of the following cities run later trains from their airport:
In Seattle, the last Link train departs Sea-Tac airport at 12:50am
In San Francisco the last BART train departs the airport at 1:05am.
In Vancouver BC, the last SkyTrain departs the airport at 12:57am
In Atlanta, the last MARTA train departs the airport at 1:55am.
In Minneapolis, the last Metro light rail train departs the airport at 2:19am
In St. Louis, the last MetroLink train departs the airport at 12:59am.

So, cleary, it's not silly or unreasonble to wonder why TriMet shuts it's system down so early.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by Urbanlover85

I really don't think its too big of a stretch to think MAX should run at least one later train to accommodate all of the flights that arrive late. Again, there are several of them. We're not just talking about a flight or two. All of the following cities run later trains from their airport:
In Seattle, the last Link train departs Sea-Tac airport at 12:50am
In San Francisco the last BART train departs the airport at 1:05am.
In Vancouver BC, the last SkyTrain departs the airport at 12:57am
In Atlanta, the last MARTA train departs the airport at 1:55am.
In Minneapolis, the last Metro light rail train departs the airport at 2:19am
In St. Louis, the last MetroLink train departs the airport at 12:59am.

So, cleary, it's not silly or unreasonble to wonder why TriMet shuts it's system down so early.

Theres not enough airport traffic to justify staying open that late....your lucky you even got an Airport line. Many cities don't have one due to the low ridership numbers , most uses buses. Even in Europe and Asia.

[Leisesturm]

Originally Posted by Urbanlover85

I really don't think its too big of a stretch to think MAX should run at least one later train to accommodate all of the flights that arrive late. Again, there are several of them. We're not just talking about a flight or two. All of the following cities run later trains from their airport:
In Seattle, the last Link train departs Sea-Tac airport at 12:50am
In San Francisco the last BART train departs the airport at 1:05am.
In Vancouver BC, the last SkyTrain departs the airport at 12:57am
In Atlanta, the last MARTA train departs the airport at 1:55am.
In Minneapolis, the last Metro light rail train departs the airport at 2:19am
In St. Louis, the last MetroLink train departs the airport at 12:59am.

So, cleary, it's not silly or unreasonble to wonder why TriMet shuts it's system down so early.

Can one fairly compare those cities and their air travel usage patterns to PDX? Let's get reasonable. If Trimet is cutting or eliminating bus lines that operate during prime time... ... l In a perfect world all the MAX lines would operate 24/7 and trains would arrive and leave all stations no matter what. 7 riders or 700 or none the trains would run on... and on. We don't live in that perfect world. And why not? Because we still haven't gotten around to wealth re-distribution. Please do not waste your time or ours outlining what Trimet should be doing with regard to scheduling MAX trains until you have also outlined your revenue streams to fund the service improvements. Isn't that fair?

H

[Urbanlover85]

Originally Posted by Leisesturm

Can one fairly compare those cities and their air travel usage patterns to PDX? Let's get reasonable. If Trimet is cutting or eliminating bus lines that operate during prime time... ... l In a perfect world all the MAX lines would operate 24/7 and trains would arrive and leave all stations no matter what. 7 riders or 700 or none the trains would run on... and on. We don't live in that perfect world. And why not? Because we still haven't gotten around to wealth re-distribution. Please do not waste your time or ours outlining what Trimet should be doing with regard to scheduling MAX trains until you have also outlined your revenue streams to fund the service improvements. Isn't that fair?

H

Oh, give me a break. This is a forum where open discussion is encouraged. You're wasting your OWN time if you continue to read and post in a thread that you find uninteresting. Someone posed a legitimate question and people gave their input. I don't see why anyone needs to get their panties in a wad.

[bledsoe3]

Originally Posted by Urbanlover85

Oh, give me a break. This is a forum where open discussion is encouraged. You're wasting your OWN time if you continue to read and post in a thread that you find uninteresting. Someone posed a legitimate question and people gave their input. I don't see why anyone needs to get their panties in a wad.

I think Leisesturm posted a legitimate question too. TriMet's main source of income is payroll tax. With the unemployment as high as it is, where would the funds come from to run trains (or buses) later at night?

If anyone can solve that problem I'm sure TriMet would love to hear from you.