So You Want To Move To Portland? LOL! (Eugene: for sale, city hall)

[Raisinet]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

What does the cost of a high end apartment have to do with this? If someone is willing to pay those high costs, then landlords are going to charge those prices.

I'm quite shocked that I would have to explain this to you, but high-end apartments are supposed to sit in high-end neighborhoods; this clearly isn't the case with downtown Portland.

[thedownlow]

Haven't we already broke the record for most murders in Portland this year? What about gang shootings? This is happening what seems almost every day now.

[sloyd]

Originally Posted by thedownlow

Haven't we already broke the record for most murders in Portland this year? What about gang shootings? This is happening what seems almost every day now.

no, not even close, there were always 40 or more in the 80s, this year was the worst

OR 1987 Criminal Statistics - Portland Police Department

Portland is actually nicer and safer then it was in the 80s and 90s

[Pretzelogik]

Not only that....you can't pump your own gasoline.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Raisinet

I'm quite shocked that I would have to explain this to you, but high-end apartments are supposed to sit in high-end neighborhoods; this clearly isn't the case with downtown Portland.

Where did you get that misconception? Belltown has some of the nicest places in Seattle, it is also the same place I have seen a junkie shooting up and homeless around going through trash and sleeping on the sidewalks. Unless your high end neighborhood is gated, don't expect any of those bad urban elements you don't like to be present.

[Raisinet]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Where did you get that misconception? Belltown has some of the nicest places in Seattle, it is also the same place I have seen a junkie shooting up and homeless around going through trash and sleeping on the sidewalks. Unless your high end neighborhood is gated, don't expect any of those bad urban elements you don't like to be present.

I don't understand the thought process behind using deflecting points being made against specific things about Portland by citing comparisons to other places and cities, and also continuing to refer to old statistics to try to make the new, right now statistics seem okay.

If you want to talk about Seattle, then why wouldn't your post your knowledge of Seattle in Seattle. Portland isn't Seattle, and nothing about Seattle is helping people moving to Portland.

If you want to talk about crime in the 1980s compared to shootings that happened last night and this year, then we could also use the logic that Portland is far more expensive now than it was in the 1980s. Therefore, they were paying far less to have more shootings, than the astronomically high rents were paying now to have slightly less shootings. And many of these huge, towering apartment buildings didn't exist in the 1980s downtown Portland.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Raisinet

I don't understand the thought process behind using deflecting points being made against specific things about Portland by citing comparisons to other places and cities, and also continuing to refer to old statistics to try to make the new, right now statistics seem okay.

If you want to talk about Seattle, then why wouldn't your post your knowledge of Seattle in Seattle. Portland isn't Seattle, and nothing about Seattle is helping people moving to Portland.

If you want to talk about crime in the 1980s compared to shootings that happened last night and this year, then we could also use the logic that Portland is far more expensive now than it was in the 1980s. Therefore, they were paying far less to have more shootings, than the astronomically high rents were paying now to have slightly less shootings. And many of these huge, towering apartment buildings didn't exist in the 1980s downtown Portland.

Guess you missed the point I was making.....oh well, I guess continue this issue you have with Portland that you don't like how much you have to pay for in rent in downtown and be surrounded by all those trashy people and crime.

So when are you actually moving?

[thedownlow]

Originally Posted by sloyd

no, not even close, there were always 40 or more in the 80s, this year was the worst

OR 1987 Criminal Statistics - Portland Police Department

Portland is actually nicer and safer then it was in the 80s and 90s

Thanks. Maybe it was the record amount of gang shootings I heard.

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Where did you get that misconception? Belltown has some of the nicest places in Seattle, it is also the same place I have seen a junkie shooting up and homeless around going through trash and sleeping on the sidewalks. Unless your high end neighborhood is gated, don't expect any of those bad urban elements you don't like to be present.

Exactly.

If you want to be free of the elements you don't like, move to a gated community or at least away from the center of the city. It's completely absurd to expect that you can live in the core of a large city and not have to deal with people on the street just because you pay a lot for your apartment.

I have no idea how this is some negative about Portland specifically. It's a negative about living downtown in any large city.

[Raisinet]

Originally Posted by JasonF

Exactly.

If you want to be free of the elements you don't like, move to a gated community. It's completely absurd to expect that you can live in the core of a large city and not have to deal with people on the street just because you pay a lot for your apartment.

To the contrary, I respectfully disagree. This whole homeless trainwreck of people sleeping on the sidewalks and pitching tents all the city is a result of failed city government policy. It's all taking place because the homeless essentially have been given squatters rights in Portland, because they claim it is the city's and the citizens of Portland's responsibility to house them. Other cities don't put up with that, Portland does. And so they come here.